SURPRISE... John C. Roberts was NEVER a member of the Federalist Society!

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Scratch that one off his list of "conservative" credentials! :rolleyes:

www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/20/AR2005072002431.html

Federalist Affiliation Misstated
Roberts Does Not Belong to Group

By Charles Lane
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, July 21, 2005; Page A16

Everyone knows that, like all good Republican lawyers, John G. Roberts Jr. is a member of the Federalist Society, the conservative law and public policy organization where right-of-center types meet to denounce liberalism and angle for jobs in the Bush administration.

And practically everyone -- CNN, the Los Angeles Times, Legal Times and, just yesterday, The Washington Post -- has reported Roberts's membership as a fact. One liberal group opposed to Roberts's nomination, the Alliance for Justice, has noted it on its Web site.


But they are wrong. John Roberts is not, in fact, a member of the Federalist Society, and he says he never has been.

"He has no recollection of ever being a member," said Dana Perino, a White House spokeswoman who contacted reporters to correct the mistake yesterday.

She said that Roberts recalls speaking at Federalist Society forums (as have lawyers and legal scholars of various political stripes). But he has apparently never paid the $50 annual fee that would make him a full-fledged member. His disclosure forms submitted in connection with his 2003 nomination to the D.C. Circuit make no mention of it.

How this urban legend got started is not clear. The issue probably got clouded in part because the Federalist Society's membership is confidential; individual members must decide whether or not to acknowledge their affiliation.

Even some conservatives found the story plausible.

"I'm shocked that he is not," said Richard A. Samp, chief counsel of the right-of-center Washington Legal Foundation.

Upon reflection, some Federalist Society members conceded that they had never actually seen Roberts at meet-and-greets such as the society's annual black-tie dinner.

"That's a good question, let me think. Now that you mention it -- no," was former Bush Justice Department official Viet Dinh's response when asked if he had ever spotted Roberts at any Federalist events.

A related question is why Roberts would not want to be a member.

[red]Some conservatives said that a Federalist affiliation, while a definite plus within Bush administration circles, could only provoke hostile questions from Senate Democrats -- so Roberts, in keeping with his low-key approach to conservatism, just steered clear.

"It's smart from his perspective," a former Bush administration official said.[/red]

Yup... gotta keep your political base at arms length now that you don't need them anymore... their beliefs are so unseemly & anachronistic. Now full speed ahead into the brave new world!
 
i'll bet he wasn't in skull and bones either! what in the world is bush thinking here??


:rolleyes:
 
Well, to be fair, no one wants to get treated like Bork did, Roberts is playing the game, he didn't make the rules. It's not good news mind you, but it's hardly a disaster.
 
what in the world is bush thinking here??

Smooth confirmaiton - something he can put on his "win" list. Maybe he's saving the fight for when Rehnquist goes - but somehow I doubt it.
 
Seems Roberts has been lobbying for the job his entire career. He is evidently a fixture in the DC social set.

He evidently was not a member of the Federalists Society. Is membership a bad thing? Why would anyone be a member of a prestigious organization and hide it?

I have no hard evidence for or against the guy. Let's just say I detect an odor I've sniffed before.
 
Seems Roberts has been lobbying for the job his entire career.

A fact made most clear by Ann Coulter, in her own way. She pointed out that for an intelligent lawyer to work on political issues in a political town and reach the age of 50 without ever saying anything controversial is just unnatural. She is right about that. It's so far beyond unlikely, it has to be part of a plan. He really wants this job, and has for some time.
 
First, Dana Perino is not only hot, but about as sweet of a person as you can find. I am real proud of her and expect to see her everywhere over the next 40 years.

Second, concerning the Federalist Society - lots of people in DC never join it, even though they would otherwise be assumed to be members. The Federalist Society is mostly composed of law students - it was founded by David McIntosh while he was one - and since it wasn't in existence when he was a student, he would not have been exposed or recruited to join. Furthermore, there are just so many things you can join and or participate in. Why would someone as busy as him be a member. Its $50, but why join if your a Judge (no benefit) or a partner at a lawfirm who needs to generate business (how much business do you get from other lawyers). Add to this, Robert's isn't very social (I don't believe he is a big drinker) and the lure of the monthly Federalist happy hour simply isn't there.

I wouldn't make anything out of it, but it is humorous how much clueless and assuming the MSM is. Since the Federalist Society is the evil organization du jour (and lets them talk about Constitution In Exile some more), they just have to throw it in.

Ha Ha Ha


A fact made most clear by Ann Coulter, in her own way. She pointed out that for an intelligent lawyer to work on political issues in a political town and reach the age of 50 without ever saying anything controversial is just unnatural. She is right about that. It's so far beyond unlikely, it has to be part of a plan. He really wants this job, and has for some time.

Disagree with this too. Seems to me he is just too busy to get invovled. Certainly, a lot busier than me ;)

Plus, he is a lawyer, not a talking head. The city is full of people who are attracted to the law and serious political and policy analysis - not just media whores like Coulter.
 
I don't know if Justice Scalia is a member either, but he sure participates in their functions, including an upcoming conference on Separation of Powers to be held in Colorado in September.
 
So he didn't join some club,BFD

The only, and I mean only, indication I could find on Roberts' stance on the 2nd Amendment was reference to the fact that he was a member of the Federalist society, which clearly supports the 2nd amendment.

Roberts is otherwise not on record one way or the other with respect to the 2nd Amendment. If someone can post a reference to indicate he has a publically stated opinion on the 2nd Amendment, I would like to see it.

So think about this... We have absolutely no idea where he stands on this issue. I cannot fully support someone unless I know where they stand, how can you?
 
I heard this quietly mentioned early this morning, but it was such a casual mention, that I was wondering if the guy knew what he was talking about. Well, that was his only connection to the conservative cause, folks, and now he doesn't even have that. Where are his conservative credentials now? I smell a Souter too. In a year, I bet Bush and his team will be saying, "We were fooled again. Can you believe it?" An old Republican ploy. Most republican politicians don't want a real originalist any more than a typical Dem, because an originalist takes power away from the Fed. The most they will tolerate is a couple on there as an occasional bone tossed to their conservative base. Power is the name of the game. Bush is a fake and a fraud.
 
Plus, he is a lawyer, not a talking head. The city is full of people who are attracted to the law and serious political and policy analysis - not just media whores like Coulter.
I think her point was that most of them manage, at some point, to say or do something controversial. You kind of have to be trying not to be controversial.

It sounds reasonable to me. Maybe I'm just naturally controversial. ;)
 
I'm not worried; Bush is an amazing judge of character. Just look at the brilliant advisors he picked for top jobs: Rumsfeld, Gonzales, George Tenet, Tommy Thompson... The list goes on and on! I'm sure he asked Roberts insightful, probing questions about his judicial philosophy and his views on important decisions the court has made.

WASHINGTON - When President Bush sat down in the White House residence last Thursday to interview a potential Supreme Court nominee, Judge J. Harvie Wilkinson III of the 4th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals, he asked him about the hardest decision he had ever made -- and also how much he exercised.

"Well, I told him I ran 31/2 miles a day," Wilkinson recalled yesterday. "And I said my doctor recommends a lot of cross-training, but I said I didn't want to do the elliptical and the bike and the treadmill." The president, Wilkinson said, "took umbrage at that," and told his potential nominee that he should do the cross-training his doctor suggested.

"He thought I was well on my way to busting my knees," Wilkinson said. "He warned me of impending doom."
:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
 
I think her point was that most of them manage, at some point, to say or do something controversial. You kind of have to be trying not to be controversial.

It sounds reasonable to me. Maybe I'm just naturally controversial.

OK, there are 500k +/- people in DC itself, plus another 1.5-2 million in N. VA and the DC suburbs of Maryland. MOST of those people have some connection to the government - and of them, somewhere between 100k and 200k are lawyers. Think about that for a second. Thats a fricken ton of lawyers running around DC.

On top of that, most of those lawyers are here doing serious policy work. The average DC lawyer isn't a slip and fall Johnnie Cochran criminal defense attorney - we tend to be highly specialized and compartmentalized and very serious. While some are lobbyists, only a few are media whores.

I'd say, in any given year, there really are no more than 1000 lawyers total who appear on TV, and most of those "talking heads" you see are not really practicing lawyers, but either media whore lobbyists or "spokespeople" for one group or another.

For the most part, going on TV does squat for your legal practice here - and in fact, in most cases hurts your client tremendously. If you have a corporate practice, like Roberts had, your clients for the most part don't want the public to know about their problems. Large companies like to keep things quiet, hence their lawyers keep their mouths shut. In addition, Roberts is an appellate litigator. He's not a trial attorney, but rather a very serious lawyer arguing high (and for most people, boring) technical points of law. Not really ready made for TV stuff, and fighting your battles out in the press is pretty much looked down upon amongst the appellate bar (abortion accepted, but then, those folks don't have real practices here). The impact to his clients from his going to the press (in the form of backlash from the bar) might even amount to malpractice. So, the real question rather is why would he go to the media.

Now, prior to his 10 years in private practice, he was a government lawyer. Again, they aren't big on talking to the media, especially if your not lead counsel (or in his case - Solicitor General). Most of that goes through the press office. As a judge, he is pretty much off limits to the press too. Nothing to gain, and unless he wants to recuse himself from all manner of cases, no media appearances.

FWIW - I have been here almost 8 years now, 6 in private law practice and 2 as a policy expert for a very public institution. While I've been quoted a couple of times in the trade press as a lawyer, mostly picking up points I made at oral argument, but also one interview I gave when we were trying to get relief in Congress (since the courts weren't helping - that was bad of me, but the senior partner ordered me to do it) I haven't been in the press. If I wanted, in my current position*, I could probably have my name in any of the major national newspapers multiple times a week. As it is, I get 5-10 press calls a day. I turn 100% of them down.

Why? Cause I get nothing from it. Whatever I say on behalf of my clients will be twisted by a press biased against our side. part of this is bias, part of it is I deal with complex ideas not easily conveyed in 5 second soundbites. If you have to read multiple 100 page reports to even get a basic understanding of the problem, do you think a reporter is gonna have the time to learn the issue failry and report on it adequatly? No, some in the trade press do, but no MSM do. Plus, even if it was reported accuratly, it wouldn't get us any of the relief we sought, and the backlash from the people we advocate too would be tremendous as they were caught up in it (they spend enough hiring PR firms to do the press manipulation thing, they don't hire me for that). Finally, the press doesn't pay me. Why would I go on their shows and in their papers, enabling them to get ratings and create controversy at the cost of my reputation and my clients ability to succeed.

The answer is, I won't, and Roberts wouldn't either.

Ann Coulter though is a media whore - nothing wrong with that (I whore on behalf of my clients) but remember she has only her demented perspective that the people in her circle are the only people that count. She is part of the larger nepotism and self importance that infects everyone in the media (heck, just read Howard Kurtz's column any day for an example)

*Don't waste your time trying to figure out who I am. Really, I am no one important, or anyone whose name you would know. I do what I do, and in the small community that i work in, people know who I am. You wouldn't know me (though a couple of people here do) - like most people in Washington, I am not famous - just a policy geek dealing with boring technical and arcane legal points who has horrid typing skills. And for what its worth, I am nowhere near as smart as Roberts nor have I ever made anything close to the $1million a year he pulled down at Hogan Hartson (though I almost took a job there once - thankful I didn't)
 
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This guy was either part of the DC Circuit Court or Court of Appeals, right?

Didn't the DC circuit decide a second amendment case recently? *hint hint*

He is a member of the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit.

There are at least 12 judges on the court, only 3 of which participated in that case. Roberts wasn't one of them, though when a petition was filed for the case to be heard En Banc (ie; before the full court), the DC Circuit declined to hear it, but Roberts joined 3 of his colleagues in dissenting from the opinon and agreeing to hear it
 
I've got a bad feeling about this guy- it's one thing to be ambitious, work hard and be rewarded for those efforts- it's another thing entirely to be ambitious, work hard but to do it with an ulterior motive that drives the ambition and hard work- I think this guy falls into the second class- the term "social climber" and all that entails keeps running through my noggin when I think about this guy- I'm beginning to think I made a huge blunder voting for Bush, but with Kerry as an alternative what choice did I have?- perhaps I should have stayed home in November!- I sure hope I'm wrong but if not, I'll have to take responsibility for what this lawyer will be telling my grandkids to do with their lives until they are well into their 30's- scary!!- please, somebody tell me it's going to be OK- :confused:
 
please, somebody tell me it's going to be OK

Its going to be ok.


I guess I am still wondering why everyone who normally complains about Judges legislating from the bench and imposing their wills on society are so upset when a judge actually does his job?? Why do non lawyers expect to know who federal appellate judges are??? And why, when things are as they should be and a judge makes the right rulings that are so uncontroversial because they are the correct ruling, are non lawyers and non members of the DC or Supreme Court bar concerned the guy is an "unknown"

Are we all really that naive that as much as we hate the press, we are willing to be duped into thinking only the people the press says are good are good?

Geeze. Wake up people.

I've got a bad feeling about this guy

Why? What do you know about him? Why would you expect to know anything about him? Have you actually gone and read any of his reported cases yet?

it's another thing entirely to be ambitious, work hard but to do it with an ulterior motive that drives the ambition and hard work- I think this guy falls into the second class- the term "social climber"

Huh??? Because he's had a career that 100% of lawyers could only dream of?? Where do you get the social climber bit?? In a city whose social scene is still shaped by the Clinton's impact, thats the last thing I would describe him as. Bookworm, study geek, genius, boring are probably closer to the mark.

What's his ulterior motive? To be the best damn lawyer in the country???

Want to know more about him?

Go here? Or simply [url="http://courtinginfluence.net/content/nsq/41%20Roberts%20Jr.,%20John%20Glover.pdf]read this[/url] (and guess what, he has been a far more prolific commentator than I thought - just not on TV as a talking head, rather as a lecturer to various bar and lawyers associations)
 
I respect you immensely Countertop.

I'm serious. I work for the Devil (well a lawyer who claims to be him). We get a lot done before trial in most cases at a very consistent rate. Much is preventative maintenance.

I understand Roberts will be more conducive to States' rights; i.e., for such issues as the Death with Dignity Act and perhaps a rethink of the Medical Marijuana flop that just happened. It's about state's rights. the FED always denies monies if they don't play the game. Makes me sick.

Seems to me the Feds and the States need to square off.

I want to see young, proactive blood in the court.

Renquist will soon be out due to health reasons. I respect him for his zeal, but come one, his days are numbered. All due respect.
 
The thing that worries me about this guy is that the outrageously shrill left doesnt seem to be making too much noise about him. Does that strike anyone as odd?
 
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