Surprisingly honest LA Times article

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http://www.latimes.com/local/abcarian/la-me-abcarian-bernardino-guns-20151204-column.html?ref=yfp

Around 10:30 a.m. Thursday, Vanessa Nesic, a stay-at-home mom, walked into Get Loaded, a gun shop five miles south of the Inland Regional Center, where 14 people were slain Wednesday in yet another horrific gun attack.

"I want to protect myself," said Nesic, 31. She has a handgun at home, and wanted to talk about modifying it with a lighter trigger. "I don't have that much strength."

Her mother's neighbor, she said, was shot in the rampage, and remained hospitalized. Nesic said she plans to apply for a permit to carry a concealed weapon.

Gus Zaharopoulos, a 68-year-old crane inspector who lost the tip of his right trigger finger in an industrial accident, was shopping for a handgun he could shoot left-handed. "I used to have a strong hand and a weak hand," he said. "Now I have a weak hand and a weaker hand."

Zaharopoulos moved to San Bernardino County from Greece at age 5 and grew up shooting rabbits in wide-open spaces now crowded with homes. He bought his daughter her first rifle when she was 3.

"Last night on the news, Scott Pelley called San Bernardino a 'quiet little town,'" said Zaharopoulos, who worked as a San Bernardino police detective until a medical retirement in 1990. "It's not. For years, it was the murder capital of the country."

As anguished voices call for policymakers to do something, anything to rid us of gun violence, the respectful conversations I had at Get Loaded demonstrate why eliminating guns is a nonstarter. For gun enthusiasts, the answer to the kind of tragedy that has become all too commonplace is more guns, not fewer.

"The biggest problem is that it was a gun-free zone," said Get Loaded owner Terry McGuire, 49, a bald, burly guy who looks as though he would be right at home among the many cops and deputies to whom he caters. "You aren't allowed to carry guns into county buildings."

McGuire makes no apology for his business, and unlike other gun shop owners I have encountered after tragedies, was not defensive, angry or wary of a reporter holding a recorder.

"If people are going to kill people, they're going to find a way to do it," McGuire said. "Those people yesterday had bombs. I mean, France probably has the strictest gun laws of any country, and look what happened there."

The Islamic State attacks in Paris, however, were outliers. As President Obama noted Thursday, "We should never think that this is something that just happens in the ordinary course of events, because it doesn't happen with the same frequency in other countries."

Alex Chavez, 39, a Get Loaded customer who lives in Moreno Valley and teaches gun handling and safety to novices, concurred with McGuire. "Let's say that 15 of those people had had guns in that place. Maybe 14 wouldn't have died. Maybe only eight would have died. I tell my wife all the time, 'That ain't going to happen to me.' I am going to give myself a shot to get out of that situation."

Everyone in the shop embraced the importance of vigilant efforts to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and others who are unfit to own them.

In California, a state with perhaps the most stringent gun laws in the country, sellers have discretion over who may buy a gun. McGuire adheres strictly to the law — and to his own intuition about whether someone should have a firearm. He said he does not hesitate to turn people away. I found that encouraging.

We should all make note of the fact that retailers turn away anyone they're suspicious of being prohibited buyers for many reasons in addition to the NICS checks and that most people would rather run and hide with a means to protect themselves than denied that means to protect themselves effectively.
 
...most people would rather run and hide with a means to protect themselves than [be] denied that means to protect themselves effectively.

In a crisis, this sense of self-preservation comes to the forefront. During the Dorner manhunt, for example, folks living very near where the suspect was believed to be holed up said on camera, "I'm sure glad my neighbor's got guns!"

And we've all heard the variations on that theme...

Good to see a story not only about responsible gun owners, but about responsible sellers as well.


Good story. Thanks.
 
During the Dorner manhunt, for example, folks living very near where the suspect was believed to be holed up said on camera, "I'm sure glad my neighbor's got guns!"


I remember during the Rodney king riots in lA where the Korean business owners would sit on their roof tops with rifles. Those businesses were left alone.
 
they couldn't resist using Obama as their source to debate and differentiate the paris attacks as 'outliers'. but yeah, overall, a surprisingly honest article.

notable as it seems somewhat defeatist, given the huge push by most media outlets to give gun control one big push this year. they seem to acknowledge it's a non-starter.

...why eliminating guns is a nonstarter. For gun enthusiasts, the answer to the kind of tragedy that has become all too commonplace is more guns, not fewer.

but, I would say it's important in discussing this article to correct it. The reason eliminating guns is a nonstarter has NOTHING to do with gun enthusiasts! The real reason is the same reason that even though you can't buy cocaine in stores, anyone who wants some can get it pretty easily.
 
L.A. county could turn around. The Bay Area is beyond hope, but an awakened L.A. county could force Cailfornia legislators back into the world we actually live in.
 
SOME of the people are starting to "get it". The news will report what it is that keeps their customers. All hope is not lost for those living out "there".;)
 
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