Survey: 1 in 4 young Muslims in U.S. support suicide bombings

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Disquieting news:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/22/AR2007052200553.html

Some US Muslims Say Suicide Attacks OK
By ALAN FRAM
The Associated Press
Tuesday, May 22, 2007; 5:20 PM

WASHINGTON -- One in four younger U.S. Muslims said in a poll that suicide bombings to defend their religion are acceptable at least in some circumstances, though most Muslim Americans overwhelmingly reject the tactic and are critical of Islamic extremism and al-Qaida.

The survey by the Pew Research Center, one of the most exhaustive ever of the country's Muslims, revealed a community that in many ways blends comfortably into society. Its largely mainstream members express nearly as much happiness with their lives and communities as the general public does, show a broad willingness to adopt American customs, and have income and education levels similar to others in the U.S.

Even so, the survey revealed noteworthy pockets of discontent.

While nearly 80 percent of U.S. Muslims say suicide bombings of civilians to defend Islam can not be justified, 13 percent say they can be, at least rarely.
That sentiment is strongest among those younger than 30. Two percent of them say it can often be justified, 13 percent say sometimes and 11 percent say rarely.


"It is a hair-raising number," said Radwan Masmoudi, president of the Washington-based Center for the Study of Islam and Democracy, which promotes the compatibility of Islam with democracy.
He said most supporters of the attacks likely assumed the context was a fight against occupation _ a term Muslims often use to describe the conflict with Israel.
U.S. Muslims have growing Internet and television access to extreme ideologies, he said, adding: "People, especially younger people, are susceptible to these ideas."

Federal officials have warned the U.S. must guard against homegrown terrorism, as the British suffered with the London transit bombings of 2005.
Even so, U.S. Muslims are far less accepting of suicide attacks than Muslims in many other nations. In Pew surveys last year, support in some Muslim countries exceeded 50 percent, while it was considered justifiable by about one in four Muslims in Britain and Spain, and one in three in France.

"We have crazies just like other faiths have them," said Eide Alawan, who directs interfaith outreach at the Islamic Center of America in Dearborn, Mich., one of the nation's largest mosques. He said killing innocent people contradicts Islam.
Andrew Kohut, Pew director, said in an interview that support for the attacks represented "one of the few trouble spots" in the survey

The poll briefly describes the rationales for and against "suicide bombing and other forms of violence against civilian targets" and then asks, "Do you personally feel that this kind of violence is often justified to defend Islam, sometimes justified, rarely justified, or never justified?"
The question did not specify where a suicide attack might occur, who might carry it out or what was meant by using a bombing to "defend Islam."
Those of all ages backing at least some suicide attacks were about evenly divided between men and women, with support stronger from those who were U.S.-born and less educated, and those who attend mosques at least weekly.

In other findings:
_Only 5 percent of U.S. Muslims expressed favorable views of the terrorist group al-Qaida, though about a fourth did not express an opinion.

_Most said they are concerned about a rise in Islamic extremism in the U.S. and around the world.

_Only 40 percent said they believe Arab men carried out the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

_By six to one, they say the U.S. was wrong to invade Iraq, while a third say the same about Afghanistan _ far deeper than the opposition expressed by the general U.S. public.

_Just over half said it has been harder being a U.S. Muslim since the 9/11 attacks. Nearly a third of those who flew in the past year say they underwent extra screening because they are Muslim.

_Forty-seven percent said they consider themselves Muslim first, rather than American. Forty-two percent of Christians and 62 percent of white evangelical Protestants identified themselves primarily by their religion in earlier surveys.

_By six-to-one, they favor the Democratic Party over the Republican Party, and by five-to-one say they voted for Democratic Sen. John Kerry over President Bush in 2004.

The survey estimates there are roughly 2.35 million Muslim Americans. Among adults, two-thirds are from abroad while a fifth are U.S.-born blacks.
By law, the Census Bureau does not ask about people's religions.
Telephone interviews were conducted with 1,050 Muslim adults from January through April, including in Arabic, Urdu and Farsi. Subjects were chosen at random, from a separate list of households including some with Muslim-sounding names, and from Muslim households that had answered previous surveys.
The margin of sampling error was plus or minus 5 percentage points.
 
Well, think about it... if someone threatened the US, would you suicide-bomb them? It would be a viable option if that's the best way you could spend your life.

The difference is not in tactics, it's in moral.

Bombing a group of civilians in order to extend theocracy is wrong.
 
What does this have to do with guns?

This article just goes to show how narrow minded some have become and how we are becoming a society that fears every Muslim and Arab because we programed to think "terrorist" everytime we see one. Its really pretty sad. Most Muslims and Arabs are peaceful people not religious extremist bent on killing Americans. All religions have extremists leaders who corrupt the messege of their faith to manipulate others into doing horrible things, its been that way for thousands of years and its not going away any time soon. Living in fear is no way to live, do that and the terrorist win.

Thats my rant, now back to guns....
 
This is the Political Section Mr. Williams, if someone would like to post something that is political and non-gun, they post it here, if you don't want to read about a non-gun issue, don't open the door to a non-gun section of the forum. Can you just imagine, the nerve some people have discussing something other than cosmoline, trijicon and ballistics. Dear GoD in heaven, where have we come to?

And why did you even bother to vent your 2 cents if you begin your post with a rebuff of the person starting the thread?

In case your wondering, I can't stand rude behaviour.

Sincerely yours, Woodrow Call

(Not going to get caught up in an online tussle)
 
I would take this with a grain of salt. The data really is just finding that Muslims support the notion of suicide bombings..... NOT that they support the current suicide bombings in say Israel, Iraq, etc.

That's like a survey finding that one in four Jews don't eat pork..... it's more of a cultural/religious finding than something that I'd find disturbing.

As for the "other findings" as for 40% believing that Arab men carried out 9/11, remember that there are plenty of non-Muslim Americans who for some reason believe in the conspiracy theory that Bush is responsible.

Lastly, being Muslim first and American second is a no-brainer... afterall, they're probably considerably more likely to be searched at the airport, and at the end of the day probably feel a bit singled out right now given the actions of their misguided brothers (and sisters for that matter).

I consider myself an American, and a Jew.... but if all of a sudden America took a grudge against Jews, and let's just say for the sake of discussion that there was a rise in Neo-Nazism, I'd be a Jew first, and an American second.... it's a matter of survival really. Right now I weight each equally, but if circumstances changed, so would my opinion.
 
Seriously, I love the high road, even though I've only been her a short while. Having said that, posts like this make me want to leave and never come back.


Religion is like opinions - we all have one, and they all STINK. Christians are no better than Muslims, or anyone else. EXTREMISTS are causing the strife and terror in this world, NOT the religion. Enjoy the rhetoric. :banghead::banghead::banghead:
 
yokel, with all due respect, I'm not sure anybody is soft-pedaling this. I don't think there really is anything TO soft-pedal.

I think the mistake here would be to sensationalize what is fairly trivial.

As another member already pointed out btw, Muslims are not the only ones to be ok with the notion of suicide bombings. There is a difference between supporting a concept, and supporting specific actions. The data only says that Muslims support the concept. Nobody said they support the current set of suicide bombings. If I saw that there was significant credible data to support that, then I'd be saying something very different.
 
It takes a certain amount of crudity and naïveté to believe that an attack like the 2005 London transport bombings by four British Islamist youths could not be repeated in the United States.
 
1) I went through that in London when it happened. Yes, I was on the underground at the time.... had to walk home from the Inns of Court to Wimbledon that day.... needless to say, that's one hell of a walk through some not great areas.

2) I never said anything about that not being possible.

Again, there is a difference between supporting a concept, and supporting a conflict. Just because they reported that they support the concept (and they wouldn't be the only group of people to do so), does NOT mean that they were also saying that they support the actions of current terrorists.

Trust me, I take terrorism very seriously, and ever since 9/11 and the London Underground bombings, I realize I've narrowly escaped death - but I'm not going to twist data. My comments are about the specific article you referenced - that is all.
 
Again, there is a difference between supporting a concept, and supporting a conflict. Just because they reported that they support the concept (and they wouldn't be the only group of people to do so), does NOT mean that they were also saying that they support the actions of current terrorists.

A distinction made on grounds that are tenuous at best.


Apparently most Muslims don't want to kill us

Even a small fraction of approx. 2.35 million Muslim Americans is enough to wreak havoc.
 
Even a small fraction of approx. 2.35 million Muslim Americans is enough to wreak havoc.

That is kind of the point though, nothing has happened. There's more than enough manpower, there is more than enough opportunity, but nothing has happened.

But again, borders, language, culture. And immigration. Exactly why do we have 2.35 million Muslim Americans in the first place? Assuming they're all legal, peaceable and lawful they're welcome to stay as far as I'm concerned but exactly why was it decided that they should be let in in the first place? This is just like the tens of millions of Latin illegal immigrants, why are they here? We have more than enough people here already, maybe we should start thinking about locking down our borders and being picky about who we let in so we don't accidentally allow the wrong person to get in.
 
A distinction made on grounds that are tenuous at best.

Please substantiate that statement.

I am curious as to how given the article you linked, you could call my distinction "tenuous".

If it's that you just want us to say that Muslims as a whole are the enemy - I cannot see any way that we could come to that conclusion given the article you linked. If you would like to present additional information, please feel free.
 
but exactly why was it decided that they should be let in in the first place?

Well, gee... I'm Muslim, but my family has been here since 1749. For all those late-comers that came after 1791 however, maybe we don't screen out all those undesirables like Jews/Muslims/Catholics/Etc. because of that Bill of Rights thing about Freedom of Religion? Now granted, it means we have to put up with all those pesky Lutherans, but nothing's perfect:)
 
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