Survival Shotgun's 12 H&R Dave Canterbury

[BlownAway]

I was recently watching Dave Canterbury of Discovery channel Dual Survivor. He recommend's 12 gauge H&R as a Survival gun. He pack's chamber adapters in a back pack of the main caliber everything from .22 LR to 44 Mag. So in a bug out or survival situation he could use just about any ammo out of his shotgun. Though this concept was cool. I see he has even come out with his own line of adapter's called the Pathfinder. I will liink it seen it on slickguns.com what do you guys think about the shotgun and the adapter's. I seen some are smooth bore and some are rifled.

http://www.slickguns.com/product/12-gauge-22-lr-rifled-pathfinder-series

 

[huntsman]

the concept of adaptors interests me and I'd like to know if it's a legit tool or just a gimmick, If they work why not use it in a two trigger double for real versatility

these are cheaper but I’d think the longer would be better for accuracy but if you don’t have sights what difference does it make.


http://www.gunadapters.com/

 

[PapaG]

I looked at these and have a concern or two. It would seem to me that you would have to experiment with just how to position them in the rimfire models as they have to be bored off center to allow the centerfire firing pin to hit the rim. If you want to have some semblance of accuracy and alignment with your bead it would be necessary to insert them the same way (indexed) each time. Probably a witness mark on the breech of the barrel and the insert would do. I'm getting tempted.
I have three of the old Savage four-tenners that adapt a 12 gauge to shoot 410 shells and they work quite well. A company in Alaska makes a whole range of adapters for shotguns and rifles and is called "lilred" I believe. They advertise in Backwoodsman Magazine.

 

[ldhulk]

For 89.95 or a few dollars more I could buy a .22 rifle that I could actually hit something with.

 

[CoRoMo]

...buy a .22 rifle...

Which means you're carrying two long guns. That's not necessarily an improvement.

 

[rio nueces]

They are a lot more effective than people give them credit for.
I've got a .45acp/20 ga. 7" long, I can hit a coke can at 15 yards consistently...with a front bead only...and I have a short Dina Arms (rifled) .45acp/12 that I shoot round balls out of, no reloading dies necessary.

http://www.gunadapters.com/
(makers of the 'Canterbury' adapters

http://store.dinaarms.com/
(Aluminum, rifled)

http://www.shotgunadapter.com/
(Steel, but these not rifled)

 

[ldhulk]

The question of two long guns versus one with adapter.......it could be an advantage or a disadvantage. With a separate .22, both guns are immediately available. Maybe you have a companion to carry the 2nd gun. A cheap Marlin model 60 would be a lot more useful in a defensive situation. But I still think the accuracy factor is crucial. With a .22 you have to place the bullet either in a small target (squirrel, etc) or a head shot on anything bigger. If you can only carry one gun, get a Savage mdl 24.

 

[Onmilo]

If you don't already have a 12 guage single shot, I think a 20 guage single shot is a better option for a survival gun.
Slightly lighter, just as practical in real world shooting, usually available with modified choke, most older 12 guage guns are full choked, etc.

 

[RX-178]

Seems like some of those would be a pretty good complement to something like the over-under 12ga/30-06 that EAA offers.

 

[Isaac-1]

I too don't really see the point, when backpacking, etc. weight is everything, and to me it seems like this thing must weigh close to the weight of a small .22 handgun.

 

[EvilGenius]

Seems like some of those would be a pretty good complement to something like the over-under 12ga/30-06 that EAA offers.

They also offer similar tube systems for the coach guns to shoot 30-06 or .223.

I wonder if you can get just one to go in the bottom tube.

 

[Steel Talon]

I'll just stick with my Savage model 24. I have 2 a 30-30/12 and the .22/20

Gadgets and inserts can get lost or malfunction. Where the true combo guns can only malfunction

 

[gp911]

It seems like a false utility to carry extra inserts to scavenge/barter ammo in a shtf or survival situation since, as already noted, the inserts could just be replaced with a small .22. I definitely see their utility if one has a homestead since they can be on the shelf and be part of the fallback plan if certain ammo becomes scarce. I may try some out eventually just for kicks.

 

[Isaac-1]

In the case of a remote stash, why not just stock up with 15,000 rounds or so of .22 LR for $500 - $750 (cheap lead bulk pack .22 runs about $30 per thousand rounds mail order, brand name mid-upper performance runs about $50 per thousand, premium rounds run closer to $70 per thousand) that should be a lifetime supply for just about anyone (1 shot per day for over 40 years), better yet buy a pellet gun and lots of ammo.

 

[Onmilo]

I'm in the crowd that sees the inserts as impractical.
You would be better off to choose a single shot 20 guage, a long barrel .22 handgun for small game and a lightweight centerfire rifle for should things get really ugly.
A .30/30 94 Trapper or a Howa 1500 .243 carbine would fit the bill here.

 

[MCgunner]

Quote:
...buy a .22 rifle...


Which means you're carrying two long guns. That's not necessarily an improvement.

Those adapters CAN'T be that accurate or repeatable. I bet I can out shoot one with my Rossi 511 .22 4" kit gun. It'll put 'em into less than 2" at 25 yards and I have the sights adjusted dead on.

All this survival stuff is stupid, anyway, if you're worried about EXTENDED periods in the wild. Take along an appropriate long gun, Guide Gun in .45-70 in Alaska, perhaps an old Savage O/U combo rifle/shotgun anywhere else. I've always thought my .410/.45Colt barrel on my Contender would work for that sort of thing, effective to 75 yards or so on big game with hot .45 Colt and 20+ yards on small game with 3" .410 number 6 shot with the choke in place. This would bail you out of an immediate problem if stranded in the wild far from a road. The TC is pretty light and compact, would fit in the backpack. And, the ammo ain't REAL heavy for it. I've never used it that way, though, just sort of a fun barrel to kick about with, shoot the occasionally starling on the wing or something.

 

[MCgunner]

And, ya know, thing about a shotgun for survival is the wide variety of loads, slugs to 8 shot. Why would I need a .22 insert if I had 6 shot handy? Stupid idea, that.

I have a couple of double guns that would work in any hiking/survival situation, both doubles, a 12 and a 20 gauge. The 12 could kill from brown bear to squirrel/birds.

 

[Isaac-1]

As I see it the weight of the ammo is everything for a .22, for the weight of a couple of shotgun shells you could have 50 rounds of .22LR. To me the scenario I could most likely see is being in the wilderness with an injury that prevents walking a long distance. In such situations in such a situaiton I would rather have something like like an AR-7 in .22 and a few hundred rounds of ammo plus a handgun loaded for any bigger defensive threats, or potential big game if given opportunity and food storage were not an issue. (winter), say something in the .357 - 44 magnum revolver range. The .22 is big enough to bring down small game for food, as well as to potentially turn away larger preditors that may be stalking at a distance (ethics of such things go out the window when in a survival situation), the handgun is big enough to stop an attack in progess, and can be fired single handed if needed (back to that potential injury issue).

 

[MCgunner]

I had an AR7, actually have owned 2. They're okay, trigger sux and can't be fixed, crude as heck, but they worked fine. They weren't too accurate, 1" at 25 yards SCOPED, but heck, that's better than those inserts, I bet! They WERE light and compact, give 'em that!

 

[msnden]

Those adapters CAN'T be that accurate or repeatable. I bet I can out shoot one with my Rossi 511 .22 4" kit gun. It'll put 'em into less than 2" at 25 yards and I have the sights adjusted dead on.

All this survival stuff is stupid, anyway, if you're worried about EXTENDED periods in the wild. Take along an appropriate long gun, Guide Gun in .45-70 in Alaska, perhaps an old Savage O/U combo rifle/shotgun anywhere else. I've always thought my .410/.45Colt barrel on my Contender would work for that sort of thing, effective to 75 yards or so on big game with hot .45 Colt and 20+ yards on small game with 3" .410 number 6 shot with the choke in place. This would bail you out of an immediate problem if stranded in the wild far from a road. The TC is pretty light and compact, would fit in the backpack. And, the ammo ain't REAL heavy for it. I've never used it that way, though, just sort of a fun barrel to kick about with, shoot the occasionally starling on the wing or something.
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I tend to agree, if you are really worried take a revolver with a .4 as the first digit
but if it must be a long gun I would consider one of these,
Savage 24 v 30/30 over 20 ga. it is a little heavy for backpacking but it will do the job.



I would prefer one of these, they take down nice (one screw) it is in 20 ga. so it has some "pop" to it, & it is lighter.




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