SW 1911 and RIA 1911

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I thought that I was sure I wanted to buy a Springfield Armory(if I ever sell my AR and actually get the money(long story)). But lately, I have been hearing about how much better the S&W 1911 and RIA 1911 models may be, and they are not from Brazil. What makes these two models as good as or better than the SA? Do the S&W models have "The Lock"? Does RIA have a stainless model?What are your experiences with these two other brands?
 
First of all, how convincing of a "long story" is it that it made you want sell your AR? :eek: :scrutiny:

I've read good reports of RIA 1911s, but I think they're generally purchased by folks who don't want to spend $600+ on a handgun.

Springfield and S&W generally get the nod for "entry level" 1911s with good quality control. While I can't comment first-hand on SA, my SW1911 (SKU #: 108299) has been totally reliable and has a very good fit & finish. The only thing I don't like is the loose, dangly trigger when there's no pressure on it, but for actual use and trigger pull, it's really good.
 
S&W and Springfield are on a par quality wise. I've never owned an S&W M1911, but I own a Springfield. It's my ball gun and I've never had any problems with it.

RIA has a good reputation, but out of the box, it's not up to the level of the others. As a good "shooter" or as a starting point for a project, it's not bad at all. I'm looking at getting one in .38 Super. I've never owned a .38 Super and have always wanted one, but I don't want to pay $700 for what basically amounts to amusement. I want a plain gun in .38 Super and that's what the RIA would give me.
 
S&W 1911, Rock Island Armory(RIA) 1911s & Springfield Armory(SA)
1911s. Well, each company offers different choices.

RIA 1911s are made in the Phillipine Islands with cast steel
frames, slides, & barrels, "for a price point" towards the lower
end of the market. RIA offers: a 1911A1 - similiar to the SA
G.I. model, with the low/small GI sights, original ejector port, etc.
and parkerized finish. Next up for RIA & SA are:
RIA Tactical with Novak style plain sights, a beavertail grip
safety and long trigger. SA offers a "Mil Spec" that has raised
sights lowered/enlarged ejection port, The SAs have a forged
frame, slide, & barrel, and a unique firing pin I don't recall the
detail on that. Next up the line for each are - RIA Match
which is much like the Tactical, but hand fitted and the front
sight is optical. SA has a "loaded" model with the addition of
the beavertail grip safety Generally you'll find
RIA GI for less than $400, Tactical less than $500 and
SA are a bit of a jump for respective models by adding $100

S&W doesn't offer any "GI" or modified GI models,
Forged frame, slide and barrel, and good fit and finish
except for triggers. The base model comes with
beavertail grip safety, long trigger with the three holds
(looks like a videcki trigger) true Novak three white dot
sights, as with SA blued carbon & stainless steel models.
NOte, S&W has the firing pin block similar to the Colt 80
series, and an external extractor which some purists object
to

My expereince?

I have a S&W 1911, with a few changes, it's never failed
to eject rounds, but does tend to eject a bit erratically as to
where they go, which seems a characteristic of the external
extractor. The original internal extractor sometimes needs
'tuning' i.e. it is bent to reliably gain purchase on the rim for
extraction. I've swapped with a SA owner at the range, -
I think he had a loaded in blued steel. Simliar to mine, but it
had more sharper edges, he remarked he liked my sights better.
with my aftermarket grips, Wilson Combat extended slide rel./lock
and a Les Baer SS MSH, some handle it and if they don't notice the
small S&W logo on the LH side of the slide have asked if it's a
Ed Brown or other higher end models. I've also compared my
S&W to a Para Ordnance P14, and the S&W fit and finish is
definitely a cut above Paras. imo. At the time I got my
SW1911 msrp was just over $1,000 and I found one for just
under $800 after S&H & Transfer. There's a couple of proprietary
items on a S&W that may require a trip back to S&W for
modification/customer service so if you plan on a "Build"
Platform with your gunsmith of choice a SW Mil Spec or other
would IMO be a better choice for more options. However, if you
start pricing adding a beavertail grip safety, in the $175 range,
etc. it will quickly add up from that entry level you came in on.

I looked closely at an RIA Tactical, good fit on the frame to
slide, I had a snap cap and the trigger was great, nothing rattled,
and what they call 'parkerized' is a smooth blued not the 'parkerized'
of a WWII 1911A1. Armscor the PI company does use CNC milling
for the RIA 1911s, they also made the Charlds Daly and Ithaca 1911s.

Oh, and all three companies have a very good reputation in
Customer Service, with RIA's being with Advanced Tactical in Nevada.


My $.02

Randall - who got up early on "Fall Back" morning crap...
I'll be taking a nooner nap.
 
What is the difference between cast and forged steel? Which is better? Which lasts longer?
Forged parts have a more consistent metallic structure and are less likely to have internal flaws, voids, etc. Properly cast components are perfectly serviceable, just not as high a quality.
 
Okay

So, if I wanted to go brand new, I'd be better off going with the S&W, since they are easier to get and are just as good of quality as the Springfield?
 
It depends on you, if you're fine with Novak sights, and the other features of theS&W then go for it. If you want to bet the SA Mil-Spec it is a good
platform with forged Bbl./slide/frame to change for features you desire down the line as you get to know 1911s and the variations later on.

Randall
 
The S&W model 108282 has really caught my eye...the only thing I don't see on it that I would want is the ambi safety...could that be added? Could the Novaks be replaced later if so desired? The fact that it is forged, and not casted has me thinking American is the way to go, and the S&W won't break the bank...I did handle a RIA that is supposed to be stainless(doesn't look nickel), and it had novaks and an excellent trigger. Was told it was an enhanced model.
 
Yes you can add Ambi safety, I think S&W has one that comes with it already.

The only reason I would remove the sights, which you can, is if I were to put night sights on it.

As a matter of fact the only mod I did to mine is install Houge Grips . (rubber wraparound)

It is 99.99% reliable. the only reason I said 99.99% is cause I'm shure I will wear it out one day!
 
Norinco

Right out of the box good shooter, forged steel and parts,
rivals or beats my Colt 1991A1 and loaded Springer for function and accuracy. They can still be had new or used if you search. No ambi-dex safty tho. :)
 
"it's absolutely amazing , the opinions passed along by internet experts with experience limited to one example of one brand as fact..... "
 
I have a Smith & Wesson 5" all stainless model [product code #108282].
that runs equally as well as my much more expensive Les Baer Thunder
Ranch Special 1911. There is NO mushy trigger too contend with; as the
Videckii look-a-like trigger breaks cleanly at 4 lbs (without a trigger job)~!
The three-dot Novak sights are easily picked up, by these aging eyes.
Yes, the beaver tail grip safety, and moulded rubber grips fit well in my
big mitts~! Priced at or 'bout $769, makes this a most excellent buy for
a stainless steel 1911 .45 ACP~! :scrutiny: :cool: ;)

McCain-Palin On Nov. 4th~!
 
Dan...You were the deciding factor...An excellent review on the model that I have been slobbering all over. It is ordered...although it will have to be on layway for awhile!!!I think I have done better than the SA and the RIA...only time will tell.
 
Buying any gun is a crap shoot...Any particular brand can make a bad product at anytime, so you take a chance. I decided that it was more important to me to move away from all the foreign makers and buy an American. I also did not understand all the talk about cast and forged steel, but it is MY opinion that forged steel is better, so I steered away from the RIA. I love my SA XDs, but I decided that I'd rather not wait 6-8 months to a year for the model I wanted in their 1911s...2 months on layaway will be hard enough. Besides, you know like I do that we are all loyal to a few particular brands anyway!!
 
FWIW - the frame of RIA's is cast, the slide is machined from solid bar stock. Not sure about the barrels, but I'd bet they're NOT cast.
 
Taurus PT1911s are forged, and have a lot of "optionals" already onboard. In between the forgings, though, they also have a lot of MIM stuff. Mine will feed anything. Did have a few minor issues, including the lock in the hammer breaking. Also, their bluing sucks. Get stainless, now that it's available. Shoots about 2" groups at 25 yards. Mine's seen a lot of use, between carry, practice, and USPSA Single Stack. Going on about 8k rounds. I'd call it about 97% reliable.

I think the best value out there, though, in terms of quality for dollars is the STI Trojan.

~~~Mat
 
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