Swedish Complacency

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This is the Feinstein/Clinton/Schumer world. Sweden was the wunderkind in the 70's, the utopian model for the world. The ultimate nanny state. Sweden has become a third world economic power BTW.

Review the reactions to onlookers. Do you see any parallel to the passengers of planes on 9/11?

How about the complacency and indifference?

Most on this board would have no doubt acted. But what about the sedated couch potatoes?


http://www.techcentralstation.com/111403E.html

A New Stockholm Syndrome
By Val MacQueen Published 11/14/2003
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By the time you read this, the Swedish police may have charged 24-year-old Mijailo Mijailovic with the murder of Sweden's Foreign Minister Anna Lindh.

Or then again, maybe not. The investigation proceeds with a curious, dreamlike quality. When the deadline for holding him was up, Mijailovic himself, echoing the national lack of will to action, "agreed to be detained" for a further two weeks while the government sought more evidence, saying he didn't really fancy his chances of getting released anyway.

Last September, pro-EU integration, euro enthusiast Anna Lindh went shopping in an exclusive department store in the center of Stockholm. She had a friend with her. As is the way in the bland politics of Sweden, Lindh had no political enemies. Even her opponents respected her. Like other cabinet members, she didn't have bodyguards. She was accompanied only by the friend.

Out of the blue, as she stood on the up escalator, a man raced up the stairs with a knife, grabbed her and started stabbing in the chest, abdomen and arms as she tried to defend herself. Lindh, according to reports, managed to struggle into a nearby boutique, but by that stage, the fatal damage had been done. The man fled down the escalator and onto the street. He discarded several pieces of outer clothing as he ran. His DNA was on his clothing. His image was on film from the store's security cameras.

He left behind a woman bleeding from multiple stab wounds to her liver and other vital organs, and a store full of bemused onlookers who even then failed to be stirred into action. No other shopper or security guard tried to stop the killer as he fled. Admittedly, tackling a deranged man with a knife is formidably frightening, but it beggars belief that not one man was stirred into action by the sight of a woman being stabbed to death in front of his eyes. Witnesses were later reported to have been "shocked," as well they might have been.

It is part of the human condition that when one man takes action in a fraught situation such as this, he does so in the subliminal confidence that other males will pile in. Yet this wasn't the case in Sweden, where passive curiosity is the mode, and not one man made a move.

The Swedish citizenry looks to the government to solve every human dilemma. Taxes are high, but all, including the chronically unemployed, are provided with a middle-class standard of living. It is "fair." They are complacent and cosseted, constantly told their welfare state has made Sweden into a model society. But it is blindingly obvious that it is not.

In what other Western country have two senior government figures (prime minister Olaf Palme, 13 years ago, and Lindh in September) been murdered in the center of the nation's capital? And Sweden's crime figures are not particularly low. They're roughly in line with those of the rest of the European Union. Yet, such is the seductive value of the constantly repeated myth, the belief persists that Sweden is somehow better managed than any other country in the world.

When human societal norms are disturbed, through warfare or famine or leached away through social engineering, the cohesion of society suffers. Free-floating despair lurks in the subconscious and a sense of anomie -- bottomless despair and disconnection -- seeps in.

All-embracing socialism has sapped the life, and sense of individual responsibility, out of Sweden's civil society, leaving the creepy passivity that allowed fellow shoppers to stand, frozen with shock, when someone was attacked and murdered before their eyes. If the murder weapon had been a gun, the inaction would have been understandable. A shot is immediate and the noise is stunning. But controlling a struggling human being while stabbing them repeatedly takes enough time for at least some observers to have gathered their wits and been spurred into action.

Yet no one made a move to save Lindh's life. Not even the friend who had accompanied her on her fatal shopping trip. Of all the fellow human beings in the mall, the sole defense of the Swedish foreign minister's life was one woman at the top of the down escalator who shouted, "Stop him!" to the floor below. Of course, no one did. And as Lindh lay on the floor bleeding in the interim before the ambulance came, the shoppers quietly dispersed, speaking in shocked, hushed tones. Presumably the friend stayed with her until the ambulance arrived.

From what I can gather, there has not even been any hand-wringing on TV discussion shows lamenting the lack of action. It barely seems to have registered. Is this conceivable in any other country?

Fearful of being accused again of the ineptitude they displayed when Prime Minister Olaf Palme was assassinated, the police snapped into action at once and arrested the wrong man, a homeless 32-year-old. Despite having had film from the CCTV that recorded the event, and the killer's discarded outer garments and the discarded murder weapon, they arrested someone, admittedly a known malcontent, who was sitting in a public bar peacefully watching a football playoff on bigscreen TV with a crowd of other people and who expressed mild surprise at being arrested.

After a very Swedish, not too over-the-top, Diana-esque couple of days in which they laid the now mandatory cellophane wrapped flowers at various points throughout the city, Stockholm retreated, after the funeral, into its complacent cocoon. Fears that Lindh having been murdered might trigger a sympathy vote of 'Yes' for the adoption of the euro, Lindh's position, were unfounded. The stolid Swedes voted to continue to retain control over their own currency.

The evidence against Mijailovic has been gathered. DNA tests have been performed at a state-of-the-art laboratory in Britain. The case against him -- even the testimony from his own mother who was surprised when he came home with his head and eyebrows shaved (the CCTV film showed a man with shoulder length hair) is strong. The police will probably charge him sometime fairly soon, say state prosecutors. Or anyway, before Christmas.
 
I dont know what you wanna say about this, is there something at all, except that they are cowards?


"Or then again, maybe not. The investigation proceeds with a curious, dreamlike quality. When the deadline for holding him was up, Mijailovic himself, echoing the national lack of will to action, "agreed to be detained" for a further two weeks while the government sought more evidence, saying he didn't really fancy his chances of getting released anyway."

They remember what happend during the Palme case, when they arrested the wrong man. This time the took in one man, he who sat at a soccerpub, who was the wrong man. The police just wants to be sure about it, they dont wanna be dragged into the Palme-case one more time. Its understandable.



"Out of the blue, as she stood on the up escalator, a man raced up the stairs with a knife, grabbed her and started stabbing in the chest, abdomen and arms as she tried to defend herself. Lindh, according to reports, managed to struggle into a nearby boutique, but by that stage, the fatal damage had been done. The man fled down the escalator and onto the street. He discarded several pieces of outer clothing as he ran. His DNA was on his clothing. His image was on film from the store's security cameras."

It happend quickly, and the image on the security cams did not reveal much, a man with a cap that hid for his face, it could have been thousands of different people.

"He left behind a woman bleeding from multiple stab wounds to her liver and other vital organs, and a store full of bemused onlookers who even then failed to be stirred into action. No other shopper or security guard tried to stop the killer as he fled. Admittedly, tackling a deranged man with a knife is formidably frightening, but it beggars belief that not one man was stirred into action by the sight of a woman being stabbed to death in front of his eyes. Witnesses were later reported to have been "shocked," as well they might have been."

Its called shock, and it happend fast. This has nothing to do with the fact its sweden, its just happend that way. This happens in the states to, okay.

"..where passive curiosity is the mode, and not one man made a move."

Yes, and this happends all over the world.

"The Swedish citizenry looks to the government to solve every human dilemma. Taxes are high, but all, including the chronically unemployed, are provided with a middle-class standard of living. It is "fair." They are complacent and cosseted, constantly told their welfare state has made Sweden into a model society. But it is blindingly obvious that it is not."

The look to the police, yes. Beacuse its their job to find the murderer, and so they did.

"In what other Western country have two senior government figures (prime minister Olaf Palme, 13 years ago, and Lindh in September) been murdered in the center of the nation's capital? And Sweden's crime figures are not particularly low. They're roughly in line with those of the rest of the European Union. Yet, such is the seductive value of the constantly repeated myth, the belief persists that Sweden is somehow better managed than any other country in the world."

American crime figure is not particularly low either, the states have the highest deathrate due to the use of guns. It is safe to walk the streets of Sweden, but we in the northern countries live close to russia & the balkans, where mafiacrime is rising. Look at Finland, it has the lowest crimerate in the world.


"When human societal norms are disturbed, through warfare or famine or leached away through social engineering, the cohesion of society suffers. Free-floating despair lurks in the subconscious and a sense of anomie -- bottomless despair and disconnection -- seeps in."

Uhhh...what? ? ?

"All-embracing socialism has sapped the life, and sense of individual responsibility, out of Sweden's civil society, leaving the creepy passivity that allowed fellow shoppers to stand, frozen with shock, when someone was attacked and murdered before their eyes. If the murder weapon had been a gun, the inaction would have been understandable. A shot is immediate and the noise is stunning. But controlling a struggling human being while stabbing them repeatedly takes enough time for at least some observers to have gathered their wits and been spurred into action."

Well, the northern countries are not as voilent as other countries. We have a long tradition of peace, and things like drivebys & other hardcore voilent behavior. We are not used to the fact that this happens on the street, or in the open. We have murders, yes. But they are often happens at home, due to arguing or/and alcohol or/and drugs.

Murders on the street is based thru fights, where things get out of hand, often a blow to the head were people have tried to intervene.

This non-aggression can be traced back in history, were the northern people got fed up with fighting.

I my self have viewed many a fight, that has been stopped by bystanders, and my self. But this is something else, its very brutal, and people whent into shock. No more, no less.


"From what I can gather, there has not even been any hand-wringing on TV discussion shows lamenting the lack of action. It barely seems to have registered. Is this conceivable in any other country?"

Here you are wrong, there has been a lot of discussion.

"..they arrested someone, admittedly a known malcontent, who was sitting in a public bar peacefully watching a football playoff on bigscreen TV with a crowd of other people and who expressed mild surprise at being arrested."

The man had stated his hate against Lindh, and he could have been the man on the video. A friend of him reported him, after he came to the bar AFTER the murder of Lindh. It all matched up, he could have been the killer. The police did the right thing!

"After a very Swedish, not too over-the-top, Diana-esque couple of days in which they laid the now mandatory cellophane wrapped flowers at various points throughout the city, Stockholm retreated, after the funeral, into its complacent cocoon. Fears that Lindh having been murdered might trigger a sympathy vote of 'Yes' for the adoption of the euro, Lindh's position, were unfounded. The stolid Swedes voted to continue to retain control over their own currency."

It called mourning, this came as a big shock.
 
,the states have the highest deathrate due to the use of guns.

That's not entirely true and it's misleading.
Over half of the firearm related deaths in the U.S. are suicides.
Also,our firearm homicide rate in 1999 was only 3.72 per every 100,000 people.Most South American countries have us beat on that.
Colombia's firearm related homicide rate is around 50 per 100,000 people each year,which severly beats our total gun death rate.
 
"The FBI's Crime in the United States estimated that 63% of the 15,980 murders in 2001 were committed with firearms. "

Well, the states are way up on that list. But this was sweden vs. america.
 
The FBI's Crime in the United States estimated that 63% of the 15,980 murders in 2001 were commited with firearms.

This doesn't contradict anything I said.I specifically mentioned gun deaths which includes all deaths that involved firearms,not just homicides.

Well,the states are way up on that list

Yes,in the world's richest 36 nations the U.S. is at the top of the list in gun deaths,but necessarily in homicide rates.
 
just because people didnt intervene didnt mean that they were aware of what was happening while they could have detained him - I will always remember arriving at the scene of an armed robbery, where the suspect had left about thirty seconds before we arrived (later detained by the Flying Squad :D ), at which two members of the public had stood oblivious in the queue and were amazed to discover that an armed robbery had just occured in front of them.
 
"we're the Sweeney, son, and we ain't had our breakfast, so get yer trousers on 'cause yer nicked!"
 
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