Sword Review: Albion Del-Tin 5143

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Greetings folks.

This is my first written review of a product, so please bear with me.

Introduction

A few months ago, I came into a small ammount of money that I was not expecting. Instead of using this money to buy stocks or to save for my future, I decided that the time had come for me to own a sword. I have wanted a real sword for a long time, but I could never justify the funds to aquire one. I no longer had this excuse.

I have been studying the particulars of swords for nigh on 7 years now (and practicing with "wasters" for just as long), so there was not much question as to the style of sword that I wanted. I wanted a European Hand and a Half sword of good quality. To find a sword that fit the bill, I turned to none other than the fine folks at Albion Armorers. From all of the accounts that I had heard, these guys were top notch.

After looking over their website http://albionarmorers.com/ I decided on a Del-Tin made blade. I would have liked to get one of Albion's hand made blades, but for a first time user, a Del-Tin sword is considered to be a good buy. I selected the ADT5143. By all reports, it has the strongest tang of all the DT hand and a halfers.

Now, the Albion Del-Tin line is neat. Albion takes a Del-Tin blade and puts fittings (guard, pommel, and grip) of their own design and manufacture on it. What you end up with is a very nice looking and well fitted sword.
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The next day, I called up the folks a Albion and placed my order. I was informed that it might take awhile to get the product, due to the fact that their yearly shipment of blades from Italy had not arrived yet, and when they did, they would have to be assembled. No problem, I was in no big hurry. Five days later, I get a package in the mail. I may not have been in a hurry, but the guys at Albion sure were!

First Impressions

When I opeded the large cardboard box, I was struck by the austere beauty of the piece. There are no decorations on the sword, but the businesslike lines combine with the flat grey fittings and iridescent blade to give the impression that this is the sword a Warrior would carry. No frills. Strictly business.

The other thing that struck me was the size of the sword. It was bigger than I had imagined. I had laid out the dimensions of the sword with a tape measure on cardboard before I ordered it to get an idea of the real size. It seemed much bigger in person.

When I picked it up, I could feel the quality. Nothing rattled. It was as solid as a mountain. I reached up, took the tip of the blade in my left hand and flexed the sword. It bent and returned to true with no problem. I flicked the flat of the blade with my finger and a pleasant "binggggg," just like a tuning fork, filled the room. The tang is peened over the pommel, as it should be in traditional European Swords.

Upon closer inspection of the blade, I found it to be well ground, polished to a dull "satin" finish. The blades are shipped from Italy dull, due to the fact that sharp swords are outlawed there. :rolleyes: Albion will sharpen the blade for you, but I wanted it dull for starters, just till I get used to it. I can sharpen it myself.

Handling

Del-Tin Swords are notorious for being heavy. The ADT5143 is no exception. This is no bother to me, as I am fairly fit, and the reason I bought it in the first place was to work out with it. In this instance, heavy is good.

The blade is quite long. I am 6' tall, and I have to concentrate on what I am doing to keep the tip from brushing the ground on extended arm swings. It is also difficult to "stop" the blade in mid swing due to the weight and length. 3lbs 11oz does not sound like much, but swinging it in a controlled manner for a few minutes can be tiresome.

Being used to single stick practice, (read: no crossguard) I promptly cracked myself in the head with the crossguard on a backswing my first time out with it. I have not made that mistake twice, as once was enough. After a week of practicing, I became much better at handling the weapon.

Using the sword single handed can be tricky, but once the proper sweeping technique is learned, it becomes second nature. The weight of the sword helps "carry" it through the motion. Two handed blows are easy, the only problem being the tendency for the round pommel to rub the heel of the weak hand near the end of the swing. Thrusts are very natural feeling and the point goes where I want it to. It is primarily a cutting sword, but the blade holds up well to thrusts into 2x4s and tightly rolled cardboard.

Conclusion

All in all, this is a good sword. So far it has done everything I have asked of it. I have yet to sharpen it, but I have no doubt that it will be a fine cutter. If I had to change anything about this sword, it would be to swap the round pommel for a "scent stopper" type pommel, due to the fact that the round one "rubs" the bone heel of my weak hand when using it two handed. Also, I might consider shortening the crossguard some time in the future.

If you are looking for a European Bastard sword that is built to work, I would suggest you take a long look at one of these. It is nothing fancy, but for the price, you can't beat it.
 
When I get an edge on it, maybe... If I'm feeling lucky.

I would have to keep him on the outside, because if he ever got ahold of me...Whoa Nelly!!! It could get ugly.
 
Very nice blade! The Del Tin blade is very good and I'm sure that you'll be nothing but pleased with your blade for a lifetime.
 
I do mostly stage work, so I'm used to heavy swords... but it seems to me like most of the people who complain about Del Tins being too heavy are used to ATrims, or other swords designed mostly for cutting instead of contact.

Granted, Gus is making swords for sparring now too, but originally his swords were mostly pretty thin and sharp, while del Tin made his thicker, if not rebated.

I've got a couple del Tin swords, and like 'em. Only problem is tightening the hilts periodically when they losed up - peened swords are harder to do maintenance on.

What sort of practice/training have you been doing?

-Kevin Inouye
 
Great review. I have a Gus Trim 1518 on order from All Saints Blades, so maybe I can give you a comparison with a lighter hand-and-a-half soon. I too have been using wasters and boffers for a long time and wanted a real sword as well, but mine will be sharp. Hopefully I won't put it through my foot. :D
 
But would you feel confident going up against an enraged mole with it?


Hahahahahahahahahaha!!!

Thank you, sir, for the much needed chuckle!!! That's a great line!

:D :D :D

To keep this OT, I have a DT 5154 (Replica of the Braveheart Sword) that I got from Albion and I positively love it.

:)
 
On a bastard, don't try and stop the blade...... strike, keep the move flowing and shift your weight, keep your feet moving, strike again..

With a blade that length and weight, strike-recover-strike doesn't work as well... keep a flow going strike-step-strike-step-step-strike as you go. Trust me, i found that out the hard way even after five years of training with wood, pvc/foam covered and eventually live steel weapons... they don't handle quite the same as a real sword, though they're close.
 
Thanks for the kind words fellas.

Nomadboui,
I have been doing the basic drills that can be found in the book Medieval Swordmanship by Clements. I have also been doing a fair ammount of trying odd and complicated blows, just to see what works. Most, I would never use in a real fight.

Before I got my sword I did alot (still do) of 50" single staff training. I have an odd (not odd, just unconventional) style with this weapon that I have picked up over the years, and I am finding that it does not easily translate to a real sword. It works like a charm with the staff though. :evil:

To augment my staff training, I have employed "boffers" of wood and foam. These are fun, but are of limited use. So far, that is the only full speed one on one training I have done with other folks.

I am far from even proficient with my new sword, I have no illusuions of that, but I'm working on it!

Thanks for the tip MrMurphy, I have slowly figured out that swinging through is the best way, though I have gotten pretty good at a two handed "hack into thrust" combo that requires stopping about 3/4th of the way through the swing.

This thing is fun, I will tell you that!

Best regards to all.
 
Yep, boffers and such can be fun, but there's a huge difference... same as with Olympic style sport fencing- you may gain some basic skills in terms of footwork and control, if you go at it right, but there's a whole different bag when you're trying it with a real sword.

I'd reccomend checking out "Secrets of Medieval German Swordplay", and Rector's Tallhoffer translation, and the journal "Spada" if you're looking for books that were better researched than Clements'.
 
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