badpenny
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doesn't matter if it's authentic or not. that's what i got me interested in black powder all those years ago. sold it to a friend, built a renegade from a kit. been shooting for 35 years or so. it's a fine rifle
T/C Hawkin un-authentic?
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Norton Commando
You might want to take a look at the Track of the Wolf site if you are considering building an accurate flintlock.
Put a drool rag on your keyboard first.
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You might want to take a look at the Track of the Wolf site if you are considering building an accurate flintlock.
Put a drool rag on your keyboard first.
http://www.trackofthewolf.com/(S(vw...index.aspx?AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1&as=1
Phantom Captain
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Thanks a bunch everyone. Means a bunch to me to see my Dad's work appreciated. He really outdid himself on this one.
Oh and don't get me wrong either, I'm not picking on anyone else's rifle by a long shot. I think that whatever it is that gets one into traditional black powder shooting and keeping that tradition alive is a great thing. We can't all have original or custom made rifles. At least the sidelocks and T/C repros aren't inlines! (Wink to .45-70 Ranger!) Indeed, I shoot plenty of BP through my repro Civil War muskets and cap and ball pistols as it is. I'm just lucky to have had a Dad who got me into it all so young and was talented enough and passionate enough to leave me some of the rifles he made out of pure love for them. So good on everyone doing the traditional thing however they go about it.
I really do completely love my Hawken though. 80 grains of 2f and a patched .530 ball will do the job! And quite well at that too. It's incredibly accurate either from the double sets or the barrel or a combination of all of it together. It gets plenty of love and plenty of range time for sure. And no, it's not and never will be for sale!
When Dad passed away I had the three rifles he made leaned up against his casket for the wake. I also sprinkled black powder in with him and put a few lead balls in his hands. I know he would have liked that. Miss you dearly Pop!
Oh and don't get me wrong either, I'm not picking on anyone else's rifle by a long shot. I think that whatever it is that gets one into traditional black powder shooting and keeping that tradition alive is a great thing. We can't all have original or custom made rifles. At least the sidelocks and T/C repros aren't inlines! (Wink to .45-70 Ranger!) Indeed, I shoot plenty of BP through my repro Civil War muskets and cap and ball pistols as it is. I'm just lucky to have had a Dad who got me into it all so young and was talented enough and passionate enough to leave me some of the rifles he made out of pure love for them. So good on everyone doing the traditional thing however they go about it.
I really do completely love my Hawken though. 80 grains of 2f and a patched .530 ball will do the job! And quite well at that too. It's incredibly accurate either from the double sets or the barrel or a combination of all of it together. It gets plenty of love and plenty of range time for sure. And no, it's not and never will be for sale!
When Dad passed away I had the three rifles he made leaned up against his casket for the wake. I also sprinkled black powder in with him and put a few lead balls in his hands. I know he would have liked that. Miss you dearly Pop!
I just got a T/C Hawken .50 that a friend bought back in the 1980s, and which has been hanging on his wall unfired ever since. Now that his wife has redecorated, it's in my hands, and I'm looking forward to actually using it for its intended purpose.
Grousefeather
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I really like that copy of the original, very nice. I have a Uberti Sante Fe in 50 cal, and it is quite a bit heavier than some of the TC's I have handled. When I was in the service in CO, I visited some local museams and saw some oringinals along with all the neat accesories and horns they had.
I really like that copy of the original, very nice. I have a Uberti Sante Fe in 50 cal, and it is quite a bit heavier than some of the TC's I have handled. When I was in the service in CO, I visited some local museams and saw some oringinals along with all the neat accesories and horns they had.
I can't comment on the period correctness of the blued barrel of the TC sidelocks. I like the way they look. I like a good brown, just not as much as a nice blue.
I would love to use my dad's old rifle for it's intended purpose. I'm just not too crazy about limbering that timber. It's heavy. Plus, if it got damaged, I'd feel awful. Not that I'm paranoid about the value. Dollar value is only important if you're going to sell it, and I wouldn't sell it unless absolutely necessary. It's just a very nice piece of American history.
However, I wouldn't even begin to know who to take it to in order to get it checked out.
If they damaged it through accident or incompetence, or if they're unscrupulous and sold it/swapped it for a piece of junk, I'm out one very valuable, very nice old rifle.
Plus, it's something that belongs to my dad. Sadly, some day it will be one of the few things I have to remember him by.
Plus, the TC seems to be stout like a Ruger. Then there's the fact of how much (little) money I have invested in that Renegade. I paid about $125.00 for it and it is in like new condition. Plus, it's a lefty. I'm a lefty, so it's a perfect match.
I would love to use my dad's old rifle for it's intended purpose. I'm just not too crazy about limbering that timber. It's heavy. Plus, if it got damaged, I'd feel awful. Not that I'm paranoid about the value. Dollar value is only important if you're going to sell it, and I wouldn't sell it unless absolutely necessary. It's just a very nice piece of American history.
However, I wouldn't even begin to know who to take it to in order to get it checked out.
If they damaged it through accident or incompetence, or if they're unscrupulous and sold it/swapped it for a piece of junk, I'm out one very valuable, very nice old rifle.
Plus, it's something that belongs to my dad. Sadly, some day it will be one of the few things I have to remember him by.
Plus, the TC seems to be stout like a Ruger. Then there's the fact of how much (little) money I have invested in that Renegade. I paid about $125.00 for it and it is in like new condition. Plus, it's a lefty. I'm a lefty, so it's a perfect match.
AJumbo
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Warren Center said that the TC Hawken was a scaled-up version of an antique small game rifle made by a New England builder. The "Hawken" name was settled upon because it was marketable, and wasn't copyrighted. There was no effort made to make a Hawken replica a la Lyman's Great Plains rifle.
I have a TC Hawken that I built from a kit over 30 years ago. I did some mods to the stock (cut off the Monte Carlo cheekpiece) and the brass (cut the finger hook from the triggerguard, "Hawkenized" the nose cap, took some of the hook out of the buttplate) and browned the barrel, all with the intention of making the rifle more user-friendly and a little less TC-like. It has a Green Mountain barrel now, but is all original otherwise and has treated me right in competition and in the field.
When I bought my kit from Bowhunters Discount Warehouse, I paid the lordly sum of $108, delivered. Assembled rifles went for around $190.
I have a TC Hawken that I built from a kit over 30 years ago. I did some mods to the stock (cut off the Monte Carlo cheekpiece) and the brass (cut the finger hook from the triggerguard, "Hawkenized" the nose cap, took some of the hook out of the buttplate) and browned the barrel, all with the intention of making the rifle more user-friendly and a little less TC-like. It has a Green Mountain barrel now, but is all original otherwise and has treated me right in competition and in the field.
When I bought my kit from Bowhunters Discount Warehouse, I paid the lordly sum of $108, delivered. Assembled rifles went for around $190.
Norton Commando
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Hey there AJumbo, thanks for the history on the T/C Hawkin; it makes sense.
I bought mine as a kit in 1979 from Carter's Country here in Houston, Texas. I can't remember exactly what it cost, but $100 seems about right. I was super impressed with the quality of the components and even more impressed with the shooting accuracy.
I bought mine as a kit in 1979 from Carter's Country here in Houston, Texas. I can't remember exactly what it cost, but $100 seems about right. I was super impressed with the quality of the components and even more impressed with the shooting accuracy.
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AJumbo
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Either Log Cabin shop or Don Eads (can't remember which) used to sell a set of Hawken-style iron furniture for T/C rifles. I put a set on a friend's Renegade and ended up with the rifle Jake and Sam SHOULD have built- a compact, saddle-length rifle with great toughness and accuracy. Don't know if it'd pass muster at rendezvous, but it sure was slick.
Pecatonica River sells replacement stocks for the Hawken, all pre-inletted and ready to finish. If I needed new wood, I'd get a cherrywood stock from them and be lovin' life.
Pecatonica River sells replacement stocks for the Hawken, all pre-inletted and ready to finish. If I needed new wood, I'd get a cherrywood stock from them and be lovin' life.
The T/C is a good rifle, just not a copy of the Hawken. If they had named it Mountain rifle or something, it would not have sold as well. But it was well made and some were accurate on the target range and all were accurate enough for hunting.
This mountain rifle was assembled in the 70s using parts I got from WEs Kindig at the Log Cabin Shop.
If I were to build another one, I would change it a bit.
This mountain rifle was assembled in the 70s using parts I got from WEs Kindig at the Log Cabin Shop.
If I were to build another one, I would change it a bit.
longrifle346
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HC? PC? No, probably not, but IMO TC's Renegade/Hawken with the 1" barrel platform is one of the best production ML rifles made. Many black powder enthusiasts cut their teeth and whetted their passion for smoke thanks to TC. They're as accurate as you're willing to make one and aftermarket parts, barrels, precarved stocks are readily available, allowing even a novice to tailor it to suit. Their warranty has also proven unbeatable to me.
I picked up an old 50 Renegade for $40, added a 54 rifled barrel and a 62 smoothbore barrel(20 guage). That lets me hunt most anything in North America at black powder ranges.
I'm now in the process of restocking with a Pecatonica River Grade 3 curly maple precarve. Went to a Bridger buttplate, steel furniture, and an aged steel look on my barrels. The precarve gave me a little more of the true Hawken look, LOP and drop. Add a few handrubbed coats of tung oil and that tiger stripe just pops out at you.
I picked up an old 50 Renegade for $40, added a 54 rifled barrel and a 62 smoothbore barrel(20 guage). That lets me hunt most anything in North America at black powder ranges.
I'm now in the process of restocking with a Pecatonica River Grade 3 curly maple precarve. Went to a Bridger buttplate, steel furniture, and an aged steel look on my barrels. The precarve gave me a little more of the true Hawken look, LOP and drop. Add a few handrubbed coats of tung oil and that tiger stripe just pops out at you.
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