Take on Bullet Proof vests

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mikep99

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What is your take on bullet proof vests?

Do any of you own one?

Is it illegal to own one?

What caliber can they stop?


I have never been able to answer any of these questions so I am curious to know.
 
I have a Point Blank Interceptor vest, currently standard issue for the USMC. It is National Institute of Justice rated to stop level IIIA threats, with the ceramic plate it will stop level III. If you do a search for "NIJ threat level" on google you'll get a bunch of pages listing what cartridges are what level. The Interceptor is by no means concealable, it's pretty bulky and only good for straight out combat situations.

No laws against owning body armor here in TX as long as it isn't used in the commission of a crime.
 
Owning/wearing ballistic armor is _generally_ legal in every jurisdiction that I'm aware of.

Some jurisdictions prohibit convicted felons from owning armor, and many have laws prohibiting their use during the commission of a violent felony. (It's an enhanced sentencing thing)

I own a good level II vest, which I bought with extra funds I had a while back, but I rarely wear it. Usually, the best thing about armor is taking it off at the end of the day. Still, knowing it's there if I need it is a comfort.
 
I am wondering. Why would you need a vest? I mean I read a FAQ on a website and they give good reasons why certain people would need one, but it is essential just like owning a gun?
 
Is it essential?

Only if you're in a gunfight.

Vests are a tough call for Joe & Jane Normal. If your situation is such that you're unlikely to find yourself in a high risk situation, and the cost would be a strain, I'd assign it a very low priority. Better to spend time/$/effort in training/practice/gear, putting together a good first aid kit, etc, IMO.

Flipside, when the burglar alarm's blaring @ 3am, it sure is nice to have.
 
Vests

I work for a company that makes one of the materials that vests are made of. Been making the stuff for 25 years. Buy a vest. It's good for business. ;)

And yes. There is no such thing as "bullet proof". Only "bullet resistant".
 
I bought mine just to have one in case the hysterical anti-self defense crowd shrieks loudly enough to get them banned in the future.

Plus it would be nice to have in a bug-out bag if things really go to hell.
 
I owned one for a while. A Second Chance IIA vest that I picked up for an excellent price at a gun show. Wore it a few times just for the heckuvit but ended up trading it off because I almost never used it.
 
I have a Point Blank Genesis II in Level II for work (security field).

Like another guy said, the best part is being able to take it off at the end of a shift!

The only time I would wear it off-duty would be if I'm going into an area/situation where it's HIGHLY possible I'd be getting shot at. However, that won't happen either, for I make it a point to avoid those types of things in all ways humanly possible.

Plus, mine's not really comfortable by a long shot. I've yet to hear of body armor that someone actually ENJOYS wearing.

Very low on the list of priorities for Joe and Jane Normal.

-38SnubFan
 
I wore one when I was a police officer and I am glad I did. I believe that it helped me get through some fights as it seems to help against some hits and kicks. I also personally know someone who was saved by a vest. He was hit directly in the chest with 00 buck shot from a 12 gauge. We always wore ours at the range as well and if I have some extra money someday, I will get one again. It would be a nice thing to have when going to a range where you may not know everyone and their gun handling skills. They are no fun in the 100 degree summer heat but I'd rather sweat a little than get shot.
 
I wore one for years as a security officer in CA. I purchased my own IIIA while in the police academy, since they didn't have one which fit me correctly. They're hot, uncomfortable, constantly ride up under work conditions, and a general PITA. They do protect against some punches/kicks, and they add a whole new level to training with firearms and arrest techniques.
It is nice to have on hand, if you live in a riot type area. Pretty spendy, though.
 
If you're in the market for one, do be sure to check around. The Israeli version of the Interceptor is going to run a little less than 1k with the plates. The domestic manufacturers are going to want more unless you're military or LEO. Some of them will refuse to sell to you without the aforementioned qualifications. You'll also find some of the more common "undergarment" vests are a good deal cheaper from overseas.

If you've never worn one, here's how you test it out: Put on a poncho with a liner. Go stand in the sun for an hour. You'll start to get the idea.
 
One thing to consider before making a purchase is to research how long the vest is good for. Most are only good for around 5 years or so, and much less if they are exposed to high heat (left in the trunk on a hot day)/improper washing (washing machine).
 
boofus wrote:

I have a Point Blank Interceptor vest

i have heard these are not legal for non-military people to possess? i don't know for sure. :confused:


also for clarification, in TX, felons are not allowed to possess body armor.
 
One thing to consider before making a purchase is to research how long the vest is good for. Most are only good for around 5 years or so, and much less if they are exposed to high heat (left in the trunk on a hot day)/improper washing (washing machine).

That's somewhat true.
While the majority of body armor manufacturers put a 5-year warranty on their vests, they are still good for many more years after that. In fact, as long as you don't expose the vest to UV light, harsh chemicals, or high temperatures, they should last a lifetime.

Also, aramids (Kevlar, Twaron, Dyneema) are not subject to the high temperature cautions that have come out against the UHWMs (Spectra, Zylon, et al). There was a major fiasco with Second Chance and their Zylon vests failing to stop bullets which they should have protected against. Research shows that Zylon degrades (and to a lesser extent, Spectra) quite quickly in high temperatures - temperatures approaching the inside of a car trunk on a hot day.

It is true that Kevlar loses some of it's strength while wet. However, it must be sufficiently soaked for this to happen. So, to quote a Second Chance brochure, "if a bad guy can hold you underwater for five minutes and then shoot you with a .44 magnum, you're done for." Even so, most never vests have the ballistic panels sewn inside a carrier that is water and sunlight repellant.

Stick with Kevlar - it doesn't suffer from the temperature degradation, it's a bit cheaper, and can be made (somewhat) more comfortable than its counterparts.

I wear my vest to the range, just in case I catch a stray richochet or some fool waves his gun in my direction. You can get used to the weight and temperature, and as an added bonus, you train harder! :neener:
 
I was thinking about them today.

To me a vest rated for pistols would be sufficient for most civilians with a plate for knives.

I could see an advantage of wearing one for someone who still goes out quite abit. Some night spots can get rough even if they are decent places and most of the time carry isn't permitted.

My 2 cents from something that was on my mind just a couple hours ago.
 
i have heard these are not legal for non-military people to possess? i don't know for sure.


also for clarification, in TX, felons are not allowed to possess body armor.

Steve, there are some out there that anyone can own. Most seem to come from soldiers who didn't think they were getting one for deployment and then ended up being issued one. The only difference is the tag is differnent so it won't be confused with the Govt. property ones. The company won't sell to just anyone without military ID I don't think since they are in such high demand, but once people get them they can do as they wish.
 
I have a IIA vest I got cheap. I wear it when I'm SOing big matches that I'm not shooting in myself (ever try to draw from an IDPA holster wearing on?). It is pretty old and may not help much, but then again, it might :D I don't wear it for dates, shopping trips, or general range trips, just times when I'm gonna be around strange shooters who are doing a lot of shooting, are under stress, and might make a mistake.

I know a guy who wears soft BA to carbine matches. Even though he knows it won't stop any of the calibers used at those matches, he thinks it will stop his guts from being blown out of his body should he get shot :scrutiny:
 
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