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I’ve got over 50 years experience shooting, reloading and competing with firearms, but next to zero experience with air guns.

I’d like to get the members to recommend an air gun with the following features:

.22 caliber
High sub-sonic pellet speed
Hunting accuracy for squirrels
Sturdy construction
Not necessarily cheap, but easy on the wallet

Is this possible? Thanks….. Doc
 
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Take a look at the Benjamin Discovery. It meets all of your criteria.
It is a PCP rifle, comes with a pump (runs at 2000 psi so pumping is easy to do) and will run on CO2 also. $420.
25 shots per fill (per pump up). Using CO2, you can buy precharged canisters and load from them and avoid pumping altogether,
Note: I have one of these guns. I am 68 years old and pumping the thing is no problem.
Another possibliity is the classic multi-pump like Benjamin's Model 392 ($170).
Prices as at Pyramydair.com.
Pete
 
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I’d like to get the members to recommend an air gun with the following features:

.22 caliber
High sub-sonic pellet speed
Hunting accuracy for squirrels
Sturdy construction
Not necessarily cheap, but easy on the w

You will get more "action" if you answer a few questions.

What speed window are you looking for with what pellet weight?

How far away are you looking for a head shot?

How much are you willing to spend "out the door, ready to go"?

Lots of toys to pick from with "sturdy squirrel killing .22 pellet gun".
 
I think it's plenty possible. You'll have to make a few decisions and compromises...but I think you can find a gun you'll be really happy with.

Everyone has a different wallet...so first tell us where the line is on the budget. For lots of folks $100 might be a lot to spend on an air gun...others may be willing to spend far more. How much are you willing to spend to accomplish the goal?

I could summarize my evolution in air guns by saying I started with a 10-pump pellet gun from WalMart or Bass Pro. It was a $20 gun that was basically good for plinking empty cans in the backyard. It's not a good "hunting" gun, but it was fun to shoot while waiting for the burgers to get done at a cookout.

Next I stepped up to a break barrel gun...and it was pretty good. There's lots of models in this arena...and not all are great. My first break barrel was a Crosman TR77 and I was able to kill a lot of squirrels with it (pests around the house...not out in the woods). The TR77 was good but it still lacked the real accuracy I so badly wanted.

I researched as much as I could and it seemed as though the answer for my particular needs was a PCP gun (Pre Charged Pnuematic). You pump up an air tank on the gun with a high pressure pump, and then it's good for a bunch of shots...and it feeds from a magazine. I had my mind set on a Benjamin Marauder, but it wasn't cheap. By the time I bought the gun, the pump, and a good scope I was into it for close to $800.

The accuracy, convenience, and cool-factor of that gun left me absolutely stunned. It will drill head shots all day long inside 35 yards...it might do it a lot further but that's as far as I've really needed to test it. At 35 yards it will put 10 pellets on a dime.

After I got the Marauder I also picked up another break barrel...this one is the Benjamin Trail Nitro Piston 2. I put it aside for a while because I couldn't find a pellet that it liked, but last week I found "the one." I ordered a can of them and it showed up tonight. I'll be able to tell you more about how accurate it is on Monday. I'll be doing a bunch of shooting over the weekend.

Try to give us a feel if you have a price point you'd like to hit, or an accuracy standard you'd like to achieve.

Here's a piece I did on the importance of finding the right pellet for your gun:

http://southernoutdoorsman.blogspot.com/2015_01_01_archive.html


An entertaining story about my evolution in air guns:

http://southernoutdoorsman.blogspot.com/2014/06/of-squirrels-and-solutionsone-mans.html

And more squirrel humor:

http://southernoutdoorsman.blogspot.com/2014/06/confusion-and-chaos.html
 
Pete D. - I appreciate the suggestions. I went to Benjamin’s web sight and I saw some rifles that I “thought” might fill the bill at a reasonable cost. However, I didn't get any idea of what the pros and cons of each “powerplant” was and a few of their models didn’t even have the fps specs. Also, there were very few reviews of the any of the rifles.

jmorris - Thanks for jumping in. Until now I have been using a tricked out Ruger 10/22 and an Anshutz 64 MS to harvest the tree rats and had no complaints about their performance. But a friend overheard my closest neighbor complaining about my “shooting gallery”. This isn’t true; the neighbor is disgruntled about a property line dispute.

My house is on 18 acres and his is on ~ 8 acres with the problem being our houses are on the corners of our lots and those corners are in close proximity. While it is legal for me to hunt and shoot on my property, I wanted to keep the noise level down not to fuel the fire until our dispute is settled. Therefore, the need for the air gun and maybe as an entry level into air gunning.

To give you an idea of the parameters of my squirrel hunting, this is the post I made (#37) in “Squirrel Hunters?” in the Hunting Forum:

"I shoot a couple every day from my attic window, then I set them out at night to feed the foxes. This keeps the foxes in the area and they in turn keep the field mice population down. I haven’t seen a field mouse in years.

I take a few squirrels every now and then for personal consumption as well.

The telephone and cable repair guys tell me the squirrels are extremely destructive to their wires and they wish it was always open season with no limits.

BTW: This is how I (it’s not me in the video) clean a squirrel:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZB7iE2b21M"


gspn - If you are the author of those articles that you posted, thanks, they were an easy and enjoyable read.

I was hoping a price range of $150-200 would help to get my feet wet with a serviceable rifle before making any serious commitment to air gunning. After that who knows…
 
gspn - If you are the author of those articles that you posted, thanks, they were an easy and enjoyable read.

I was hoping a price range of $150-200 would help to get my feet wet with a serviceable rifle before making any serious commitment to air gunning. After that who knows…

Yep...I wrote those. I'm glad you liked them.

With that budget you're really close to a Benjamin Trail NP2. I think you can get one for $249. I'm sure there are others out there, but mine that's one that I have. So far the accuracy looks very promising now that I've found the right pellet. The NP2 offers several improvements over their first version. A few that come to mind are the improved trigger (the original was the most awful creation you could imagine) and easier cocking effort. Also, here's an article that looks at the advantages of a piston over a spring. I did not write this one...I found it online:

http://airgunmaniac.com/what-is-nitro-piston-technology-and-why-should-you-care/

Good luck, and let us know what you get.
 
I don't think it's a tall order, as long you understand that most airguns are not all that quiet. If you want quiet so the neighbor won't hear I'd use Aguila Colibri 22LR ammo, or buy a much more expensive airgun. All the airguns in your price range, or even double that price will be heard by your neighbor.
If you accept the noise I think this one in the below link would be an excellent first gun, and on sale for $140. Add pellets to hit the free ship mark and you're good to go.
http://www.airgundepot.com/refurbished-benjamin-trail-22-caliber-nitro-piston-air-rifle-combo.html
As far as airguns in this price range it's as quiet as you can get. Another issue with cheap guns is accuracy will be a gamble, but that is usually fixable to a point with some work. If you want guaranteed accuracy out of the box you have to spend a whole lot more $.
This gun on sale, which is not on sale very often btw, is in your price range, quiet, and powerful.
The stock on this model is 16-24oz heavier than typical so the gun with scope is ~ 9lbs. The stock is softish plastic and very strong, so its soft semi-rubbery makeup is great for taming the shot cycle of the gun, helping accuracy and even quiets it a bit further. The drawback is the extra weight you have to drag around...
But like most of these Crosman/Benjamin guns they are the same base model so you can buy parts from the same base model if you want, and for cheap. Say you want to shave 24oz off with the wood Trail stock or one of many other stocks they sell. I prefer the Benjamin Regal stock which is only $23. You can also buy a cheaper gun like a Crosman Vantage (currently on sale for $86), then buy the Trail barrel (which is shrouded/suppressed) and you have a gun that is basically a Trail with a lighter wood stock but less $. It also comes with a more basic scope but that's up to you. Just know most Crosman/Benj guns are modular and parts are very cheap. Other brands are not so modular and parts are either expensive or impossible to get so basically you buy them as-is and that's it. If you're into tinkering to make the gun better then there's also a bunch of stuff you can do with Cros/Benj.
The NP2 gspn mentioned is a different base model with few interchangeable parts, like just a few different stocks which are expensive. The NP2 is a little more powerful but a lot more $. The NP2 has a nicer trigger but the Trail trigger can be modified to be the better one. The NP2 is supposed to be better quality but not by much and the end result to the end user is probably about the same.
So imo a lot depends on if you're willing to do some work to the gun, because you can also take an even cheaper gun like a $70 TR77 and make it even quieter than the Trail for about $35 and some work.
 
Reviews

As far as reviews of different air guns are concerned, go to Pyramydair.com. There are extensive reviews of just about everything that they sell.
Pete
 
I wanted to keep the noise level down not to fuel the fire until our dispute is settled. Therefore, the need for the air gun...

was hoping a price range of $150-200 would help to get my feet wet with a serviceable rifle before making any serious commitment to air gunning. After that who knows…

If it were me I would form 1 a suppressor, or buy one if I couldn't build one. You can dump a lot of money into air guns and some of them are as loud as a regular .22 rimfire.

Even the "moderated" air rifles are louder than a good suppressed .22.

This is a $400+ (without optics or a way to fill it) marauder fired side by side with a suppresses 77/22.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srXMYpYFZ8c
 
My house is on 18 acres and his is on ~ 8 acres with the problem being our houses are on the corners of our lots and those corners are in close proximity.

I wanted to keep the noise level down not to fuel the fire until our dispute is settled. Therefore, the need for the air gun and maybe as an entry level into air gunning.

Here are two real world examples of noise level for a break barrel and a more expensive PCP gun.

My first break barrel was a Crosman TR77. When I'd shoot it out the back window of the house, my kids could hear it quite clearly in the front yard (two story house with lots of trees. They said it sounded like someone dropping a metal rake. So they could hear it, but it didn't sound like a shot.

My Benjamin Marauder is a lot more expensive, but it's also super accurate and super quiet. It sounds like an electric stapler, or perhaps the sound you get when you open a can of Coke. Last week we had some friends over and the husband wanted to shoot the Marauder. We stepped into the laundry room which is roughly 15 feet from where the wives were talking. There is nothing but an open door between the two areas. He shot 5 or 6 times. When we came back to the kitchen his wife said "Aren't you going to shoot?" They didn't hear it from 15 feet away during a normal conversation.

Another Marauder example. I had been shooting a bunch one afternoon on a very quiet day with a neighbor in the backyard next door. I went over and asked if she had heard me shooting. She said she'd occasionally hear "something" but she had no idea what it was...she said it was really quiet and she was really surprised to hear that it was me shooting.
 
Sub $200 spring piston air guns can fit that description. Just make sure you buy from a reputable seller with a no questions asked 30 day return policy. Lemons are not uncommon with cheaper air guns so if your gun groups 3" at 10 yards return it asap.
 
Fitting the OP's requirements......
Crosman 2400KT CO2 Carbine. Excellent 22XX platform with longer barrel, single 12gram CO2 cartridge, steel breech with scope grooves for easy scope mounting. Uses any good scope, not limited to "air gun friendly" scopes. Buttstock for stability and accuracy. Under $300 from the Crosman Custom Shop with a lot of features to choose from.
 
Decision Time

Whenever I looked at reviews for the air rifles, the Benjamin Trail NP2 (.22) for example, that I thought would fill the bill, I was disappointed in what I read. Many reviewers, especially the negative ones, seemed to have a bit of experience with air guns.

I am thinking about getting the refurbished air rifle, a Benjamin Trail NP¨, Synthetic .22, that Chevota linked me to for $140. I can’t get hurt too badly at that price.

As was suggested, I loaded up my Anshutz with some Federal CB caps and it was doing 1 MOA at 50 yards. I let my wife shoot it while I stood 25 yards away and it sounded like my Daisy reproduction Red Ryder BB gun when I am at the trigger. This would be an acceptable noise level.

All of you have been great for taking the time to give me an introduction into your sport… it was a bit more complicated than I anticipated, but I’m looking forward to learning more and participating. Thanks….. Doc
 
Benjamin Discovery in .22 using RWS super domes (14.5 gr.). Loud, very but deadly on any tree rat. Completely passes through large fox squirrels. Accurate, yes after a little practice. Trigger is the reason for it's long and more than 4 lb. pull. (mine is). Had mine for approximately 21 months and has never lost air. It was pumped it up three months ago and it has been shot five or six times and still has maybe 8 to 10 more good powerful shot left. My Marauder is more accurate and has more shots but the Disco is easy to carry in the woods and is just a fun small compact hunting rifle. Only one flaw is the sights. My tired eyes just don't like them. Get a good AO scope and have some fun getting rid of tree rats or any pest problem.
 
I have a Benjamin Discovery in .22, with a hawke scope, and a TKO muzzle brake, and I charge it with the benjamin pump. I bought it on black friday and I can't remember the cost but think my total is around $500 for everything.

With the TKO muzzlebrake on it, it is almost silent. The pellet hitting the target makes more noise than the gun, which is mostly just the ping of the valve. At 50 yards it will easily punch a hole all the way through a squirrel, I've gotten 2 with mine so far this season.

I understand that is more than what you planned to spend, but I think you will be happier if you go this route than if you go with a break barrel. I bought a gamo break barrel a long time ago and it was a good shooter, but didn't have the power I wanted. I was really interested in a Benjamin Discoery but couldn't bring myself to pay for it so I tried to replace the gamo with a Benjamin Trail nitro piston gun in .22 and I can't get it to group for a damn. I know many will say its my technique and that may be but I'm thinking its the scope that came with it, since I've never had a problem with my gamo. I haven't wanted to buy a springer rated scope just to find out the gun is the problem, and the result is I got frustrated and the gun went into a closet and I ended up spending the money for a discovery anyhow. I think the the low price spring guns are very hit and miss, and you have to be dedicated enough to do some tweaking on top of learning a new technique to shoot them.
 
Redneck is right. Springers require a lot of specialized information relating to shooting technique, scopes, scope mounts, cleaning, pellets, tightening screws, tunes, loading, unloading, breaking in, etc. Any one of these issues can make or break your shooting. It would be like writing a book.

If the OP is set on getting a springer, I'll give it a try to write about the different issues if asked.

I don't own one, but it sounds like a PCP air rifle will eliminate all of the above issues.
 
Redneck is right. Springers require a lot of specialized information relating to shooting technique, scopes, scope mounts, cleaning, pellets, tightening screws, tunes, loading, unloading, breaking in, etc. Any one of these issues can make or break your shooting. It would be like writing a book.

If the OP is set on getting a springer, I'll give it a try to write about the different issues if asked.

I don't own one, but it sounds like a PCP air rifle will eliminate all of the above issues.
That is my experience. Shooting springers seems to be a hobby in itself. If you want to experiment with pellets, tweak the gun with different lubes, different torque values, and experiment with different holds get a springer. If you want to unpack the gun and go shoot dime sized groups, or hunt small game, get a PCP and don't look back, its pretty much like shooting a cartridge rifle.
 
Looks like he found the solution back in #13.

As was suggested, I loaded up my Anshutz with some Federal CB caps and it was doing 1 MOA at 50 yards. I let my wife shoot it while I stood 25 yards away and it sounded like my Daisy reproduction Red Ryder BB gun when I am at the trigger. This would be an acceptable noise level.

All of you have been great for taking the time to give me an introduction into your sport… it was a bit more complicated than I anticipated, but I’m looking forward to learning more and participating. Thanks….. Doc
 
"My single shot 22 with SSS auliar rounds is very quiet. "

Uh...... might that be the Mexican Aguila ammo? Quiet yes, but not all .22 barrels will stabilize it and not keyhole. I do have a few older .22LR rifles that like it.
I have the Benjamin Trail NP in .22 caliber, and it shows promise. Still trying various pellet to find the one it really likes consistently. That is it's problem - consistency. I get fliers. Overall accuracy is fairly good. tiff actions with those gas tubes though. Takes a good effort to cock it.
Lately I have been enjoying shooting my Crosman 2260 rifle - 24" barrel, full wood stock (same as Benji Disco without the gauge hole) and uses 12 gram CO2. Very accurate shooter, though not as long legged as a PCP gun. But gives quick follow up shots without having to cock the barrel or lug a tank. Handles like a .22LR rifle.
 
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