We had a discussion at the LGS today and it seemed the general opinion was that a Taurus sixgun is a decent value priced shooter, but one should not trust their life to their semis. I will say our old M85CH has been shooting forever, my friends old M65 357 still works well, but my PT22 is a junker. Anyone else feel they make a decent revolver but bad semis?
Taurus Revolver vs Semi
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Revolvers, The PT 92 and its variants, and their 1911 seem to all be good if not great guns well worth the money.
The PT22, I have heard that a good cleaning, polishing the feed ramp and feeding it GOOD ammo, works pretty well.
But then the grips break..
The PT22, I have heard that a good cleaning, polishing the feed ramp and feeding it GOOD ammo, works pretty well.
But then the grips break..
oldbear
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With all due respect "works pretty well" is not acceptable for a self-defense handgun....
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I've heard just the opposite.
Seen 3 crap revolvers, heard of a 4th
Heard the semis are ok.
Since they are all made by the same manufacturer it makes more sense to me to trust companies, not models. Thus I buy no Tausus guns.
Lemons happen......S&W, Ruger, Colt........ any company. , but an entire line of bad and a line of pretty good does not average out to good guns.
Seen 3 crap revolvers, heard of a 4th
Heard the semis are ok.
Since they are all made by the same manufacturer it makes more sense to me to trust companies, not models. Thus I buy no Tausus guns.
Lemons happen......S&W, Ruger, Colt........ any company. , but an entire line of bad and a line of pretty good does not average out to good guns.
ozo
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Their [Taurus] PT-92 has an incredibly
great record for dependability.
Any gun and/or ammo can malfunction.
Personally, I trust a DA/SA revolver over
a semi-auto any day for dependable protection.
Any semi-auto.....and not just any revolver.
great record for dependability.
Any gun and/or ammo can malfunction.
Personally, I trust a DA/SA revolver over
a semi-auto any day for dependable protection.
Any semi-auto.....and not just any revolver.
JR47
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I currently own 14 Taurus Handguns. Some are old enough to have been imported by Interarms. NONE has ever failed due to factory defect. That includes a PT22.
I own revolvers in .38 Special, .357 Magnum, .22 Long Rifle, .22 Magnum, and .44 Special.
My semi-autos are in .22 Long-Rifle, .25 ACP, .380 ACP, 9x19, .40 S&W, and .45 ACP.
I've had MUCH better luck with Taurus than with S&W, Colt, Sig, or HK.
I own revolvers in .38 Special, .357 Magnum, .22 Long Rifle, .22 Magnum, and .44 Special.
My semi-autos are in .22 Long-Rifle, .25 ACP, .380 ACP, 9x19, .40 S&W, and .45 ACP.
I've had MUCH better luck with Taurus than with S&W, Colt, Sig, or HK.
I have an 85 SS2.. and so far, I love it.
It has a few things about the fit and finish that aren't absolutely perfect.. they are very human, but it is made well, seems very reliable, and is a good shooter. For $289, I think I got the better end of the deal.
My only gripe is that it was kinda dirty, new. This could be a dealer issue.
It has a few things about the fit and finish that aren't absolutely perfect.. they are very human, but it is made well, seems very reliable, and is a good shooter. For $289, I think I got the better end of the deal.
My only gripe is that it was kinda dirty, new. This could be a dealer issue.
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threefortyduster
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Please explain. The only time I've ever had a rimfire revolver "jam" was when we shot crap ammo and the brass would crack...not the Colt's fault, not the Ruger's fault, just the fault of the crappy ammo I fed it.
I've had both Taurus revolvers and semi-autos and haven't had any issues with either of them. I like my .357 Snubbie and my 24/7 in .40, and my wife likes her TCP732. I certainly like the trigger on the 732 better than the LCP.
MCgunner
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I own 3 fine examples of Taurus revolvers. They're keepers. My SIL has a PT145 I really like and a PT738 that's nice, but I've got no use for .380 ACP.
I've seen three Taurus Judges with ammo "jammed" in the cylinder which was frozen in an off timed position. I've also seen one .22 revolver with the same malady. That's how a revolver can jam, it's not easy, but then again I saw the same Taurus single shot rifle returned to the factory twice for light primer strikes. The Taurus service department was evidently incapable of servicing a single shot rifle. They are pretty complicated after all. :banghead:
I have a 3rd gen PT111 that i would and do trust my life too. It has had probably 3k+ rounds through it with no malfuctions (at all even with tula ammo). However I just got rid of a PT845 taht had been back to the factory 4 times and still had failures to feed and would lock the slide open with ammo still in the mag, looked really nice, felt good and shot extremely accurate just not reliable at all.
MY opinion is Buyer beware. If you get a good one hold onto it tight as the next one you get is not garunteed to work 100%
MY opinion is Buyer beware. If you get a good one hold onto it tight as the next one you get is not garunteed to work 100%
lefteyedom
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Trust is a personal thing that defies logic.
I have a pt908 and it runs like a champ.
8 9mm round for the weight of the pistol
but quality of the build is fine.
Trust is a personal thing that defies logic.
I carried a Kel-Tec 380 while hiking the A.T. I trust it with my life.
BUT this was only after I took it personally to factory in Coco Fl and had them totally rebuild the thing while I waited in the lobby. Brand new it was a total POS that jammed constantly and even fired out of battery !!
After the repair job it has worked like a charm and has never (knock on wood) ever failed to feed or fire.
Based only on the first firing of the little pistol I should never have trusted it again. Once repaired and 200 rounds of flawless operation I have faith in it.
I have a pt908 and it runs like a champ.
8 9mm round for the weight of the pistol
but quality of the build is fine.
Trust is a personal thing that defies logic.
I carried a Kel-Tec 380 while hiking the A.T. I trust it with my life.
BUT this was only after I took it personally to factory in Coco Fl and had them totally rebuild the thing while I waited in the lobby. Brand new it was a total POS that jammed constantly and even fired out of battery !!
After the repair job it has worked like a charm and has never (knock on wood) ever failed to feed or fire.
Based only on the first firing of the little pistol I should never have trusted it again. Once repaired and 200 rounds of flawless operation I have faith in it.
justice06rr
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Taurus semiautos have been getting much better lately. I've never owned/shot a Taurus revolver, but i've owned and 2 Taurus semiautos that functioned flawlessly.
I have alse read/watched videos that Taurus has improved their CS/QC recently so they are producing much better firearms than before and CS/warranty is much faster.
I have alse read/watched videos that Taurus has improved their CS/QC recently so they are producing much better firearms than before and CS/warranty is much faster.
If 95% of a companies products work perfectly and only 5% give problems they would be considered junk. I'm not bashing Taurus, just making a general statement, it could be toasters.
Often the 95% who got a good one don't understand why the other 5% are upset, but look at it this way. If 99.999% of all commercial airliners arrived safely and only .001% crashed every day no one would feel safe flying. We would have several airlines crash every day.
Years ago I worked at a job where my accuracy was graded. If my grade fell below 99.97% in a month I would have been suspended for 2 weeks with no pay. The 2nd time I'd have been fired.
When choosing a gun to protect myself with I don't care if 95 people tell me their gun has been perfect. If 5 have horror stories to tell me about I'm not very likely to choose that gun. I might take those odds on a toaser, even a gun meant for range use or even hunting, but not SD.
Often the 95% who got a good one don't understand why the other 5% are upset, but look at it this way. If 99.999% of all commercial airliners arrived safely and only .001% crashed every day no one would feel safe flying. We would have several airlines crash every day.
Years ago I worked at a job where my accuracy was graded. If my grade fell below 99.97% in a month I would have been suspended for 2 weeks with no pay. The 2nd time I'd have been fired.
When choosing a gun to protect myself with I don't care if 95 people tell me their gun has been perfect. If 5 have horror stories to tell me about I'm not very likely to choose that gun. I might take those odds on a toaser, even a gun meant for range use or even hunting, but not SD.
JR47
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Whenever I buy a gun, I actually look at it before putting my money down.
On a revolver I cycle the gun through a full revolution, both DA and SA. I also check barrel-cylinder gaps, and take a look at the forcing cone. I pay attention to canted barrels, and sights that seem "off". I look at the fit and finish as well. I look at the interior of the charge-holes, check the extractor star, and look at the crane for problems. Takes only a few minutes, but has saved me big bucks.
On a semi-auto, I check fit and finish, and the condition of the magazine. I also make sure that it drops free, and locks up easily. I make sure that the slide-stop functions, that the sights are properly installed, and that the trigger functions in a manner that I can live with. I also check the slide for fit on the rails, the extractor for burrs and the internals for rough, or out-of-spec parts.
When it gets home, it is detail, stripped, cleaned and inspected closely, and lubed properly. Only then do I shoot it. Sometimes it doesn't help. I had a S&W Model 625 that broke the hand in the first shot. My Sig P229 fractured it's slide at about round 75. I also had an HKUSP45 that patterned at 10 yards, instead of grouping. HK finally replaced the barrel.
However, the inspection does give me a fighting chance of getting a serviceable gun. Late S&W revolvers tend to have lousy timing from the factory, and the forcing cones, and cylinders routinely need work to bring them into spec. I've also noticed that some of the polymer frames from manufacturers aren't quite as well executed as before. They look odd, just a little out of spec in various areas. Some are problems, others are just "odd".
Anyone who just "buys a gun" today, and then just goes out and shoots, deserves the problems that they get. Instead of whining, they might try educating themselves BEFORE they make a purchase.
On a revolver I cycle the gun through a full revolution, both DA and SA. I also check barrel-cylinder gaps, and take a look at the forcing cone. I pay attention to canted barrels, and sights that seem "off". I look at the fit and finish as well. I look at the interior of the charge-holes, check the extractor star, and look at the crane for problems. Takes only a few minutes, but has saved me big bucks.
On a semi-auto, I check fit and finish, and the condition of the magazine. I also make sure that it drops free, and locks up easily. I make sure that the slide-stop functions, that the sights are properly installed, and that the trigger functions in a manner that I can live with. I also check the slide for fit on the rails, the extractor for burrs and the internals for rough, or out-of-spec parts.
When it gets home, it is detail, stripped, cleaned and inspected closely, and lubed properly. Only then do I shoot it. Sometimes it doesn't help. I had a S&W Model 625 that broke the hand in the first shot. My Sig P229 fractured it's slide at about round 75. I also had an HKUSP45 that patterned at 10 yards, instead of grouping. HK finally replaced the barrel.
However, the inspection does give me a fighting chance of getting a serviceable gun. Late S&W revolvers tend to have lousy timing from the factory, and the forcing cones, and cylinders routinely need work to bring them into spec. I've also noticed that some of the polymer frames from manufacturers aren't quite as well executed as before. They look odd, just a little out of spec in various areas. Some are problems, others are just "odd".
Anyone who just "buys a gun" today, and then just goes out and shoots, deserves the problems that they get. Instead of whining, they might try educating themselves BEFORE they make a purchase.
JR47
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One other thought. I've noticed various percentages tossed about for reliability, warranty, and the likes. Let me ask, does the person or person making these statistics up actually have a clue as to what the numbers really are, for ANY manufacturer?
If not, then you're just trolling away. Let's stick to facts, not lies, damn lies, and statistics. We all know that 87% of all statistics are made up in the spot, don't we?
If not, then you're just trolling away. Let's stick to facts, not lies, damn lies, and statistics. We all know that 87% of all statistics are made up in the spot, don't we?
The_Armed_Therapist
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I think both Taurus revolvers and semis are a clear step below top-notch reliability. I have a 24/7 Pro (5" barrel) that I bought as a range toy. I didn't have a 9mm and the 24/7 looked like a lot of fun. Well, it is! It's very accurate, cheap to shoot, and "works pretty well" as someone said earlier. Out of 100 shots, I might have 1 or 2 failures. It's great for the range, but I don't carry it for that reason. I've fired 1500 or so from my Glock 22 without a single failure of any kind.
I also had a revolver (Model 445 .44 special) for years that was fantastic... no problems at all. But, I've known several people who have had problems with their revolvers. Similarly, I've never really heard of a problem with a Smith revolver, and have rarely heard of a problem with a Ruger revolver. I'm assuming that, to a large extent, I got lucky with my 445.
I don't dislike Taurus. I think they're creative, they work hard, they experiment, and they are good value for the cost. I just don't think I'd depend on one to carry when there are more reliable options.
I also had a revolver (Model 445 .44 special) for years that was fantastic... no problems at all. But, I've known several people who have had problems with their revolvers. Similarly, I've never really heard of a problem with a Smith revolver, and have rarely heard of a problem with a Ruger revolver. I'm assuming that, to a large extent, I got lucky with my 445.
I don't dislike Taurus. I think they're creative, they work hard, they experiment, and they are good value for the cost. I just don't think I'd depend on one to carry when there are more reliable options.
Anytime I've seen this, it has been a dirty gun, usually also firing dirty ammo.
Especially when it comes to the .22 Taurus revolver specifically.
Why? Because that is the only dirty .22 revolver that I have ever fired. It was a buddy's too. There, I covered all of the bases.
I really dislike it when my words are misconstrued into something they were not intended to be.
When I said "works pretty well", I meant without hiccup. Not as in a 8 out of 10 on functionality/reliability.
Anytime I've seen this, it has been a dirty gun, usually also firing dirty ammo.
Especially when it comes to the .22 Taurus revolver specifically.
Why? Because that is the only dirty .22 revolver that I have ever fired. It was a buddy's too. There, I covered all of the bases.
I really dislike it when my words are misconstrued into something they were not intended to be.
When I said "works pretty well", I meant without hiccup. Not as in a 8 out of 10 on functionality/reliability.
Well dude.. I hate to break it to ya, but you are without a SD gun and a toaster.. , because you will find those 5 horror stories with every manufacturer.
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