Teaching reloading

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One of my Son's, who like my other boys, is an avid hunter and reloader, approached me about teaching some of his friends and hunting clients the basic process of reloading, single stage style. Being that I am retired / disabled, and therefore have lots of time on my hands, where as he doesn't due to a full family and work schedule, he thought this would be a good way for me to stay busy doing what I truly enjoy.

What I would like to do is, teach the basic single stage process of reloading and limited to only jacketed hunting and jacketed handgun applications. The manner in which this topic came up has been the result of his friends and associates learning that he only uses reloads, to which most reply they would love to learn how, if only they knew someone who would be willing to teach them.

The tools I have would be adequate, as I have multiple RCBS single stage presses, and even two Mec 600 Jr's for those interested, and a large comfortable well organized area to work in, completely free of distractions of any type. I would be sitting directly across from them' thus taking them through the process hands on, step by step, loading my own brass in pace or leading them, thus able to closely monitor them at every juncture of the process. I feel confident and have personally never had a major mis-hap since I started reloading more than 30 yrs. ago. Such mishaps have been limited to minor mistakes that never made it to the range, this is due to the fail safe methods I incorporate into each step of the process.

Although I have never done this with a business approach, I have taught many friends and family over the years without any problems, with one exception. I did attempted to teach a friend about 10 years back who simply didn't understand weights and measures, and constantly tried to undermine the importance and necessity of multiple and important aspects of the process. After a full week of working with him I finally addressed him with the obvious, in that, reloading isn't for everyone.

But before jumping into this endeavor, I wanted to run it by others here, regarding any legal implications I might need to consider, being that I will be financially compensated for my services. All components, powder, primers, bullets, and brass would be purchased and provided by the student. And every single cartridge they leave with and shoot, would be that of which they exclusively reloaded with their own hands. After completeing the training sessions, I will offer to assist them by providing a complete list of basic components necessary to set up their own bench.

GS
 
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I have thought about the same idea... like you... I have mentored many in my shop with so called "private" lesson ... so many in fact that I would hate to even try to apply a number to... I'll be watching to see what others say ...
 
Can't recall exactly when but maybe 6 months to a year ago this topic came up. We had at least one member actively teaching reloading and he made his course material available including his "Introduction to Reloading" handout. Good material. I just can't recall much about that thread.

During the 90s my wife Kathy and I owned a small brick and mortar gun shop. You do not compete with the Wal-Mart or Dick's selling Mossberg 500s or Remington 870s. My best niche was I sold reloading supplies. This led to frequent discussion in the shop about hand loading. Those discussions sparked interest from other customers. While not formal classes with course materials (hand outs) I began teaching reloading basics on a few nights a week. Worked out well for my component sales of loading supplies.

During this time my wife was working a "real job" managing a small local access TV station with local origination programming. A very cool thing was people could make their own TV shows. Everything was provided and you got air time on cable TV. I was going to start my own Reloadron Show (thus my screen name). You would be surprised how the big companies who make reloading supplies are quick to offer up equipment for use. While public access not for profit community television does not allow by law commercial advertising I could plug my shop in the credits as well as the equipment used.

Today's show will cover basic single stage press and loading... That press can be green, red, orange or blue if you get the idea. For today's show we will be using the ever popular RCBS Rock Chucker...

Unfortunately I never got things cooking. My real job demands were growing and despite a good successful growing gun business I couldn't pay us or myself the salary and benefit package I was earning. We had someone wanting to buy the business so we went ahead and sold.

During the gun shop years my landlord was a great guy named Joe "Kastaway" Kulis who had a series of outdoor TV shows running. Matter of fact Joe has his programming running on my wife's station. Wasn't at all unusual for Joe to bring me some beautiful rifles to be scoped before one of his hunts in Alaska or Africa. All those guns and equipment provided to him so he could plug them on his shows. Much like I planned to ask the hand loading manufacturers about "loan" equipment for teaching hand loading.

As of May of this year I finally bid the "real job" farewell and have started enjoying retirement. Kathy also just retired. I have given some thought to teaching on the side as I finally have that elusive time I was always seeking. :)

Anyway, if you have the time and the audience give it a shot. I am not an attorney but when I considered doing a show on the subject I did ask our attorney. There should be no liabilities just make sure your hand out material is accurate based on published loading data and that you teach good loading habits and safety.

Just My Take....
Ron
 
Why not consider becoming an NRA Certified Reloading Instructor? The NRA has two excellent reloading courses: Metallic Cartridge, and Shot shell reloading. They have a proven curriculum, and course handbook, and you can bet it is designed to keep you, the instructor out of trouble liability-wise. They also have an inexpensive liability insurance you can buy just in case you live in a litiginous community.
http://nrainstructors.org/CourseCatalog.aspx
 
I say go for it. Personally, even though I know if I was to teach someone in a business setting, and would teach them the correct way of doing everything, I would still have the students sign some type of waiver. CYOA!
 
Sounds awesome. I would've liked to have some classes available the other day when I was trying to figure out how to set these darn dies up! I would think the demand for your services would be pretty good right now too.
 
Bad Ron...

While I failed to mention it I would heed what Curator mentioned as to taking a NRA certified instructor course. Those were also mentioned in the thread I can't remember all the details of.

Ron
 
If you are charging them to take your course, then I would for sure become certified.
 
Thank you friends for the excellent advice and responses!
I'll update as things begin to unfold, and I further welcome any advice or suggestions as well.

GS
 
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When you charge for a service, there is always some possible liability if someone gets hurt. Taking the NRA course would not be a bad idea and then look into the cost of insurance just in case.
 
I took the nra course to be certified (pistol, reloading, personal protection in home) and have a millon dollar liability policy with the nra business aliance for $300 / year. I teach 3-4 classes a month for the different diciplines and make some decent pocket money for toys.

if you have the room and time, go for it, all my expenses were paud for in the first couple of classes.
 
Go for it GS, there's a lot of guys (and girls) out there hungry for instruction in the discipline not to mention the opportunity to pass along a few THR values!
 
1. Form a corporation or limited liability company for your new business. Separates your business assets from your personal assets.

2. Comprehensive General Liability Insurance with at least $1 million coverage.

3. NRA Certification. Not that you need to learn new things, but certification is evidence (think future courtroom use) of competence.

4. Written or video instructions for procedures and safety. Again, this is proof that you gave the required warnings and information.

5. Liability waiver. These aren't always enforceable in court, but it at least demonstrates that the student was informed of the risks.
 
When you charge for a service, there is always some possible liability if someone gets hurt.
Not charging for a service is no guarantee you won't end up in court. Certification/formal training would seem to be more critical than whether you charge for the classes. Even those liability waivers that folks like to use are pretty meaningless when you’ve got a blood sucking lawyer out there rubbing his hands gleefully at the prospect of a payday.
 
I can only assume that the liability incurred with teaching reloading could be very high. I hate times have come to this, but be very prepared, do your homework and make very sure you are covered.
 
Make sure it includes a hands-on introduction to progressive presses of various brands. If your instructor is just a precision rifle guy getting you to first base with a single stage, he might waste your money and time or at least fail to meet your expectations.

My instructor introduced the class by saying that if anyone is here to save money, they are welcome to go out to the counter and get a refund. I thought that was a disservice and should have been in the course description with further qualification. Reloading is a way to shoot more, which from the right vantage point is a way to save money. It is also a way to shoot the ammo you would prefer. I suppose it could also be a valued excuse to spend time alone or do guy things.
 
+1 on the NRA class. As an example, I recently became a certified pistol instructor. Previous to that class, I was an avid pistol shooter and taught many people to shoot. But the NRA course gave me more (and better) structure for teaching, and it taught me a few things that made me a better instructor. Long story short, why not really go pro and do the best you can do for both yourself and your students?
 
Not charging for a service is no guarantee you won't end up in court. Certification/formal training would seem to be more critical than whether you charge for the classes. Even those liability waivers that folks like to use are pretty meaningless when you’ve got a blood sucking lawyer out there rubbing his hands gleefully at the prospect of a payday.
Yep. Our family business has been knee deep in litigation, for something that was clearly not our fault. I asked our lawyer in one of the meetings, "why do we have to deal with this when it was clearly not our fault?". He said "cuz you got sued". Which I took to mean, anyone can get sued for anything.
 
I would love to attend a reloading coarse, if I new someone local offering one.

My hat is off to you for even thinking about pass your knowledge of reloading on to others.
 
Post your list of safety rules and procedures on the wall in your workshop and hand out hard copies to your students. Of course you will inform them orally, but you want to be able to have written proof of your instructions.
 
I put some course material together and volunteered to provide tutoring through our local range. They had to decline based on litigation possibilities.

I graduated High School in 1971 (yeah I'm old). The one thing I remember from the career counselor before going to college was this ... Michael you are in the top 1% of your graduating class. Get used to the fact that the rest of your life you will taking care of all those behind you. The life lesson I learned 40+ years later is you always have to account for the lowest element in the system. And, the lowest element in the system will sue your a$$ in a heartbeat if it means they can make a quick buck and not have to work for it. Our society promotes the idea you are not responsible for your own actions.
 
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