"Tears of the Sun"

[twoblink]

My gf asked me "Why you Americans" were fighting the war..

I had a lengthy talk with her about it.

Well, Saturday night, I took her to see "Tears of the Sun".

She asked me "Saddam doesn't kill his people like in the movies does he?"

I answered "Nope. He uses those who are against him as chemical and biological test subjects."

You should have seen her face; she hit me and said "That's not a funny joke." Then she realized it WASN'T a joke!

Now she has seen a little bit of what "ugly dictators" can do.. She is not for war, but she is definitely for the removal of Saddam.

Hollywood did something for the anti-saddam movement... Imagine that!!

 

[26point2]

Very good quote...I'll have to use that if you don't mind...


C

 

[Croyance]

I haven't seen the movie, but Saddam Hussein does kill his own people, and not just as chemical and biological test subjects.
He has had about 1.5 million Iraqi's of various ethinic groups killed since he took power in 1981.
Can your movie villain do that?

 

[twoblink]

I can probably kill a few people, I can probably kill a few hundred people, I might even stretch it and kill a few thousand people; but to kill in the millions, it takes real talent.. I personally don't have the intestinal fortitude to every order the killing of millions... I guess that's why I'm not a dictator of my own country..

That said.. Saddam is after the "one person dies; it's a tragedy; a million people die, it's statistics" theory I guess..

But then again, you have soooo many people in other countries supporting Saddam...

 

[Destructo6]

You forgot to mention another method he enjoys: feeding people into a chipper, feet first.

 

[MAKOwner]

Good ole Bruce Willis. At least one decent guy in Hollyweird. Seemed to time this movie just about perfectly...

 

[tlhelmer]

Can one of you post the quote from the end of the movie. It goes something like all it takes for evil to exist is for good men to do nothing.

 

[twoblink]

The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. ~ Edmund Burke

 

[Raymond VanDerLinden]

I believe the Quote is....

"All it take for Evil to triumph, is for good men to do nothing."

Or Maybe Protest against the good men.

But the Quote is basicly fact. Look at the cities where the "Good folk" don't want to get involved and you can see it happening.

Saddom kills 1.5 million, Kymer Rouge several Million ( don't have the numbers, Hitler, Stalin etc. etc. etc..............
Mostly because good people didn't think it was their "PLACE" to interfer. Kinda sounds like well Yeah I saw the woman being draged off screaming for help, but I didn't do anything and I don't want to talk to the cops because "I don't want to get involved." "It might get the BGs mad at me."

"BUT WHY CAN"T THE COPS DO SOMETHING?"

Well, Brothers and Sisters doing something to stop evil involves risk, and the understanding that you may have to pay a price. Just like oue Fighting men and Women are now.

Doing nothing insures your eventual subjegation.

 

[Raymond VanDerLinden]

Two Blink got it right

 

[pax]

This is not gun-related, so doesn't belong in Gen'l.

It does, just barely, belong in L&P, so I am moving it over there.

pax

There is no safety for honest men but by believing all possible evil of evil men. -- Edmund Burke

 

[twoblink]

Being gun related;

I had some questions about the movie though; do most soldiers REALLY pack that much ammo on them, or did they reload from the helo?

Also, I don't know, some of the "tactics" used didn't look too tactical to me.

I wouldn't have sprayed. The enemy was going to cross the river, open game. I would have gone into "Sniping" mode.. And picked one off one at a time... I don't think they had that many rounds between them..

 

[Greg L]

TB,

I haven't seen it (yet), however spraying isn't as good as fast aimed semi fire.

Way back when (old fart mode on ) I was at the range with a few of my men (me being an officer, they being enlisted under me back in my Army days, so FA was allowed ). At the end of the day (after we had been running the qualification range for the company all day and had some ammo left over) I had the six of them (my range NCO's) get online and blast away at a few targets on full auto while I did aimed fire on semi.

I won.

Greg

 

[Raymond VanDerLinden]

To paraphrase a notable saying I read,

May all your enemys be on full auto. 1 million Cyberbucks to whom ever can tell me who wrote, and problably said that several times.

Full auto olny work for short range suppressive fire. Out very far and you're wasting ammo. And as most men forget to aim at all on full auto, they don't even hit with the first round out of the barrell.

I agree with Gregg aimed fire works best, except in Holliwierd. It's easy to be a great shot when it's in the script.

 

[twoblink]

I was out in the backwoods of Missouri, and had the chance to fire some full auto's (on private land!!)

Hmm.. This is what I found out.

Of the 30 rounds I fired, I got 5 on the paper.... at 15 yards...

Of the "aimed taps"... I managed an impressive 25-27 (I can't tell, some of the holes were iffy) but that's 90% on paper. So it tells me, if I can't get over 20% from spray.. at 15 yards.. then full auto past 15 yards are pointless.

 

[lapidator]

"Saddam doesn't kill his people like in the movies does he?"

Nope, he has his son put them feet first into what ammounts to a brush chipper.

Nice fellows.

lapidator

 

[M1911]

May all your enemys be on full auto. 1 million Cyberbucks to whom ever can tell me who wrote, and problably said that several times.

Jeff Cooper.

 

[Raymond VanDerLinden]

We have a winner folks.

M1911,
Congrats sir, how would you like your cyberbucks, as an email, as a virus or as a worm.