Tell me more of the Savage Enfields US Property

[nathan]

Are these par in quality as the ones built by Brits and their Commonwealth of Nations? Are most of them Savage made only have the flip up peep sight s without the fancy ladder type ?



HOw accurate are the Enfields ? Are they worth collecting amongst the surplus rifles ? Seems like the surplus .303 ammo are nonexistent right now other than the Priv Partizan at AIMs.

Thanks

 

[murdoc rose]

I currently own one and have seen a few others imo Id say they where on par if not better quality, yes all of them have the flip site, accuracy is going to depend more on your bore than anything else but I will say mine does just fine at the range. worth collecting yes no idea on the ammo havn't checked it in a while.

Id like to add out of all the enfields i've had (several now) this is by far my favorite, just seems to have a better feel to me

 

[skidooman603]

Nothin wrong with the Privi stuff Anyone into Mil-Surp collecting would do well to reload. Half the fun!!

 

[navyretired 1]

The Brits developed the #4mk1 but couldn't manufacture enough of them during WWll and contracted with Savage to manufacture them. The lend lease requirement ment they had to be marked US property. The Savage guns were as good or better than any others made. Quite a few weren't shipped to England, those will not have England stmped on them as the brits only stamped england when exporting them. They were used for plant guards etc in US. very good rifle and a collectable as any "smelie" as the Brits called all SMLEs'. BTW that is a very clean one you have from what I can see. US rear sight were avery nice target style apeture. any other questions msg me

 

[Brimic]

Are these par in quality as the ones built by Brits and their Commonwealth of Nations? Are most of them Savage made only have the flip up peep sight s without the fancy ladder type ?

Good rifles. The Savages are actually No4MK I* which have a few cost cutting measures built in. The only change over the No4MK I that can cause problems is the thin lip that the bolt head rides on- if it gets chipped, the bolthead could jump the track.
AFAIK, the 'L' shaped sight came standard on the Savages.

 

[madcratebuilder]

The Longbranch and Savage No4MkI* have a simplified bolt release cutout on the receiver. That reduced machining and parts for wartime expediency.

If your Savage No4MkI* has been upgraded to receiver mounted MkII trigger, it's is then a No4 MkI/3

Is your rifle marked as being FTR'd? Bore condition is everything for accuracy, most No4's well shoot 4 moa or better.

The early Savage and Longbranch No4's had MkI ladder sights (precision adjustment), later production had a flip battle sight. The longbranch and Savage sights are harder to find, many prefer them because they have a smaller peep hole.

Through the life of a typical Enfield it could end up with about any rear sight. Easy to replace, many like the No.5 Jungle Carbine 200 to 800 MkI sight because it has finer elevation adjustment.

The Parker-Hale 5C makes a great upgrade rear sight if you get serious about target work.

If the rifle has been FTR'd it can have just about any parts on it, ROF, BSA, LB, to name a few. It's not uncommon for completely original rifles from Savage or Longbranch to have each others small parts. The two factories where in close proximity, one in U.S. and other in Canada, they exchanged small parts as needed.

 

[nathan]

In the case of the flip L type rear sight, what distance are they sighted in ? Does it have the big and small hole to choose like the AR 15 rear sight system ? Do they generally shoot high from POA at 100 yds ?

Is the adjustment for the windage in the front sight like the M 39 Finn ?

Is it safe to say the ENfield .303 Brit cartridge is not as inherently accurate vs the .3006 , 8 mm or 7.62 x 54 R? (No pun intended). WIth my other surplus rifles of those calibers i get average of 2-3 inch groups on sandbag at 100 yds.

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The Longbranch and Savage No4MkI* have a simplified bolt release cutout on the receiver. That reduced machining and parts for wartime expediency.

If your Savage No4MkI* has been upgraded to receiver mounted MkII trigger, it's is then a No4 MkI/3

Is your rifle marked as being FTR'd? Bore condition is everything for accuracy, most No4's well shoot 4 moa or better.

 

[Mr_Pale_Horse]

Is it safe to say the ENfield .303 Brit cartridge is not as inherently accurate vs the .3006 , 8 mm or 7.62 x 54 R? (No pun intended). WIth my other surplus rifles of those calibers i get average of 2-3 inch groups on sandbag at 100 yds.

No. It is safe to say that the SMLE's are more difficult to accurize than front lug designs or falling block single shots, but that is not cartridge.