Thanks for your help, but get out!!

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I just cannot believe this we give money and time they still don't love us. :rolleyes:

Indonesian Foreign Minister Hassan Wirajuda said his country preferred grants, according to German Finance Minister Hans Eichel, who met with Wirajuda in Berlin.
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Yep, they prefer grants easier to see it never gets to the poor.
 
Why do we put up with this? After they refused us the use of their airspace for training we should've left and took all of our goodies with us. If they don't want to play nice, then they can get someone else to deliver supplies to their people.
 
Kalla's government also forced the Abraham Lincoln, from which Navy pilots have flown dozens of food supply missions to the hard-hit Aceh Province, to steam out of Indonesian waters because they refused to let U.S. pilots fly training missions in their air space.
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Having been the Air Operations Officer on USS Enterprise from 1985-87, I have some experiences in these circumstances I can comment on.

Per international convention, each country can establish and enforce air defense identification zones which extend beyond their coastal boundaries. They can say yes or no to requests from other powers to conduct air operations in those zones.

While it seems a simple matter to grant permission for our aircraft carriers to conduct air operations in their airspace, in reality there are probably several Indonesian government bureaucracies involved and up to now no one in Indonesia can remember when the United States ever made such a request before. Invariably the request from the United States Navy to operate in some country's airspace begins with a request from the carrier's embarked flag officer's staff to the American defense attache in the country asking for permission to conduct air operations in the next few days. Naturally, there are bureaucratic delays in the U.S. Embassy, and the host country when it gets the request on such short notice feels put upon and responds with a curt, "No!"

In my experience on USS Enterprise, the most successful operations in the territorial waters of other countries were planned several weeks to even months in advance. When we operated off the coast of Western Australia, we even had a RAAF officer on board to explain the complexities of Australian air traffic control and how our aircrews could get into and out of RAAF ranges ashore without causing any conflicts with Australian air traffic.

Getting back to the Indonesian situation. I am sure given the country's difficulties with disaster relief, a request by the U.S. Navy to operate jet aircraft within their air defense identification zone without any idea how may flights and how to separate them from regular commercial air traffic was just too difficult a challenge and they just said, "No."

Pilgrim
 
To me, the bottom line is the principle that the more the haves give to the have-nots, the more they are looked upon as chumps by the have-nots.
 
from what i have heard, they are using the disaster to oust nonmuslims and cut off the rebels.

they dont want us interfering
 
I think that we are going about this the wrong way.

We should release a statement to all the governments of the world.
"If you want/need help, come to us and ask for it."

'If the reason meets our criteria (natural disaster, genocide, disease outbreak, etc) we will help you in ways beneficial to the people of your country. If you do not like it, you can go somewhere else with your request."

Thanks, and have a nice day.

US State Dept.

BTW, if you turn around and start blasting the USA for helping you, you can kiss any future aid goodbye.
 
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