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That damnfool Colorado SB-34

Discussion in 'Activism' started by 230RN, May 3, 2007.

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  1. 230RN
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    230RN Marines raising the left-leaning Pisa tower.

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    The time is just right to send Colorado Governor Bill Ritter a request to veto SB 34.

    Among other things, SB 34 would not allow reciprocity for permits obtained by non-residents of other states.

    Example of one thing that can happen: You live in Louisiana, but have a Florida non-resident. Your Louisiana license expires, so you're carrying concealed on your Florida ticket. You decide to visit Colorado.

    Nope. Your Florida non-resident will no longer cut it here in Colorado.

    One of the problems is that Coloradans do not realize that this law may well affect them in the future, if other states start pulling their reciprocity with Colorado.

    But most importantly, if Ritter signs this Bill in Colorado, other states may take it as a go-ahead signal to pass the same kind of law... perhaps in your state, too!

    Please go to this thread to look over the situation:

    http://www.packing.org/community/general/thread/?thread=22993

    Let's sandbag him on this one,ladies and gentlemen!

    (And please don't spell it "governer." It's "governor" with an "o". I make that mistake all the time.)

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    GOVERNOR RITTER CONTACT POINTS:

    E-mail: Governor.ritter@state.co.us He wants a Colorado address to write back to. Two options: tell him you are out of state but that the law will affect you anyhow, or write a hard-copy letter. Or fax or call him.

    Mail
    Bill Ritter, Governor
    136 State Capitol
    Denver, CO 80203-1792

    Phone
    (303) 866-2471

    Fax
    (303) 866-2003

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    My fax to Ritter... expand on it, get creative:

    FAX NUMBER (303) 866-2003

    Dear Governor Ritter,

    I urge you to veto Senate Bill 34. I do not think it is in the best interests of the people of Colorado.

    In addtion, a limitation on the permitted concealed carry of weapons by out-of-state residents, however legally obtained, is nothing but thinly disguised attack on the legitimate and legal firearms rights of people throughout the United States.

    If you view the analogy with Driver's Licenses as analogous to this bill, I think you will agree that it probably violates the full faith and credit clause of the US Constitution.

    I would also like you to re-examine this legislation in the light of some of the latest federal Court Decisions, as well as the US Attorney General's opinion that bearing arms is an individual right.

    I think that the pendulum is swinging toward a recognition of the ordinary citizens' right to self defense, and I think your signature on this bill would run counter to this "sea change" in the peoples' views on this matter.

    Thank you,

    T.A.T
    POB 1234567
    Denver CO
    80200
     
  2. Jimmie

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    The OP was pretty much right. If you have a non-resident CHL from anywhere (i.e. you live in Illinios but have a Florida non-resident CHL), you will not be able to carry in Colorado. You will have to prove your residency by having a picture ID from that state WITH an address in that state on said ID.

    This is not about moving there and getting a CO license. It's about visitors using their non-resident license. The only people allowed to carry in CO would be those that reside in the state wherein their CHL was issued.

    http://www.leg.state.co.us/CLICS/CL...59DF18087257251007C51CE?Open&file=034_enr.pdf

    Personally I have a resident license from a state with Colorado reciprocity, so it wouldn't affect me. But if I move somewhere that will not give me a CHL, I will get a Florida non-resident so that I can still at least carry in some places. I'd be SOL in Colorado.

     
  3. 230RN
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    Jimmie:

    Thank you, Jimmy. Once more, the people of Colorado should be very concerned even though it sounds fairly benign and doesn't affect them.

    But it does, for the reasons noted in the OP:

    As another personal concern which might be more general, I was toying with the idea of getting a Utah non-resident license just in case I lost my wallet or something.

    Or, perhaps I forget to renew my Colorado one. (I note there's an expiration reminder system for just this on PDO.) Or, even more likely, I apply for renewal but the process is delayed to beyond the expiration date.

    In any of those cases, I (or maybe even you) would be out of luck if this bill passes.

    So, see Coloradans? This bill can affect you. It's not just about nonresidents!

    That's why you should care about it.

    They're trying to slip this through on the theory that Coloradans would not care about not recognizing non-resident out-of-state licenses.

    But you should.
     
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    I have heard that the reason for this asinine law was a guy tried to get a Colorado permit, got denied for a paperwork error, then went and got either a FL or UT permit (story varies), and sends a photocopy to the CO sherriff's dept. that denied him with a letter along the "neener-neener, you stupid jerks!"
     
  5. xpun8

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    correct me if I'm wrong then...
    I have a WA and non-res FL CPL, while visiting I was legally carrying. CO doesn't have reciprocity with WA, however they do with FL. Supposing the governor doesn't veto...I'd be breaking the law?

    That blows as nearly all my family lives there now.
     
  6. jlbraun

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    @xpun

    No, you'd be fine carrying with those licenses if you were just visiting. If you were a legal resident of CO and didn't have a CO permit, then you'd have a problem.

    CO's permit is the most expensive in the nation - I think they just want more people paying the $150... :mad:
     
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    Correct.

    Correct.

    Correct. Colorado has reciprocity with Florida, but if SB 34 becomes law, only Florida residents will be able to carry in Colorado on a Florida license.
     
  8. Justin

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    Moving to the activism forum.

    We need to make our voice heard on this.
     
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    Who voted for these anti-freedom clowns?
     
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    Someone on this board said recently that there is a such thing as a Florida part-time driver's license. I wonder if someone has a driver's license from X state and a part-time Florida driver's license, I wonder if he would still be able to carry a non-resident Florida permit in Colorado.
     
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    Probably all the dolts who moved from CA -> CO to escape the anti-freedom clown politicans they elected here.
     
  12. Jimmie

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    Incorrect. This IS about having a non-resident license.

    xpun8, read the text for yourself... There is no mention of being a Colorado resident - this is about visitors. Of course Colorado residents that had been using a Florida non-resident license will also get schwacked and will have to have and exclusively use a Colorado-issued CHL.

    If you're not a resident of the state that issued the CHL, no carrying in CO. Florida and Utah non-resident licenses will NO LONGER BE VALID.

    The bill summary says this:

     
  13. Jimmie

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    Only if you have a Florida address on said driver's license.
     
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    Damn. I take it by the map on handgunlaw.us that this POS bill was signed into law?

    If so, I'm very likely going to cancel a vacation there, seeing as they apparently don't care about my right to provide for my own well-being in their uppity state...
     
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    As of May 7, 2007 Gov. Ritter HAS NOT signed into law SB-34

    If you have not already contacted his office plesase do...and be extremely polite. We may have a chance to see this one slip through the cracks.
     
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    But FL issues non-resident, CO does not. If you are from a state that does not have reciprocity with CO you can not carry, period.
     
  17. Justin

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    THIS IS NOT THE PLACE TO DEBATE WHETHER THIS IS A GOOD LAW, WHETHER OR NOT YOU LIKE COLORADO, OR WHETHER THIS IS WORTH BOTHERING WITH.

    IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT, GO TO LEGAL & POLITICAL. THIS FORUM EXISTS AS A VENUE FOR THOSE WHO WISH TO ACTUALLY TAKE ACTION RATHER THAN JUST COMPLAINING ABOUT THINGS ON THE INTERNET.

    IF YOUR POST IS NOT RELATED TO PROTESTING THIS LEGISLATION, DON'T POST HERE!


    Get this: the activism forum is shockingly enough, a place to organize and encourage ACTIVISM. I should not need to point this out.
     
  18. WeedWhacker

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    Another FAXed letter:

     
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    My email to Gov Ritter:

     
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    Email sent urging veto of SB34
     
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    My email to Gov. Ritter

    I just got done writing Gov. Ritter, this is not my first letter to our politicians concerning SB 34. I did make the point that the bill essentially throws out the concept of reciprocity for many or most CCW holders. I for one live in CO. and have a Utah Permit which without help will only be good outside of my home state. Please everyone write a quick email.
    Thanks!
     
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    My email

    Yes, paper (even faxed) is better, but I'm late getting out the door as it is, so this is what I sent by email:
     
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    Does anyone have an update re: this legislation? :confused:
     
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