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A few notes, before I launch into my rant:

  • I don't know Josephine Marcotty, the reporter for this story
  • I don't know Mohamed Bibas, or if he is a U.S. citizen
  • I don't know how to fix North Minneapolis

That said, Mr. Bibas' comments, while same old-same old as anti-gun thinking goes, really got me riled up. Why must he come from Tunisia to "the greatest country on Earth," yet disparage the very freedoms that his adopted country provides him?

I don't know if there's any way to combat this, and of course, Ms. Marcotty didn't include any comments from those who might feel the choice to arm oneself is preferable to being a defenseless target, but it's still frustrating to see a "people don't kill people, guns do" argument, especially from someone I think should feel grateful to be here at all.

Am I being to simplistic or traditional? What do others think?

http://www.startribune.com/467/story/937962.html
 
Consider the source - The Strib is infamous for its leftward leanings. It also employs extremely loose "editorial license" when deciding what is news, and what is opinion.

It has an opinion section, the back of which is generally relegated to opposing viewpoints (although I believe they seek the worst written, most rabid rebuttals to print in order to further their opinion that anyone with the slightest hint of conservative beliefs is a crackpot). They also have extremely liberal "reporters" that write regular opinion columns - but they show up on the 1st and 2nd pages of the "Local/State News" section.

Me - I subscribe to the Sunday edition only, just so I don't miss out on Gander Mountain, Cabela's, or Sportsman's Warehouse ads!
 
15 days into 2007, Minneapolis has 5 homicides

A man was shot and killed Monday in Minneapolis near 37th and Girard Avenues N. To the area, it was frightening and familiar.

By Josephine Marcotty, Star Tribune

Last update: January 15, 2007 – 9:50 PM

People in the neighborhood around 37th and Girard Avenues N. in Minneapolis were out shoveling their sidewalks in the sparkly afternoon Monday, and a couple of kids dashed across the street with a plastic sled.

If there was blood on the street, it was covered with snow.

Police had already been and gone, taking with them the body of an unidentified man who had been killed that morning in a red car. To the neighbors who hear gunshots every night, the news that a stranger was killed on their street was frightening but unremarkable.

Lee Blessing, 32, shrugged when he was asked about the body found up the block from his house.

"Sometimes it's for more money, sometimes it's for a little money," he said. He was used to it. "I grew up in Minneapolis," he said by way of explanation.

It was the fifth homicide in 15 days in Minneapolis and the fourth in north Minneapolis.

And though North Side residents may not be counting, that is an unusually high number. It's already well ahead of last year, when the first homicide occurred Jan. 22. By the time Dec. 31 rolled around there were 60 homicides, which made 2006 a particularly deadly year for the city.

If the rate of homicides were to continue at this clip, 2007 could rival 1995 for the record number of Minneapolis homicides in one calendar year -- 99.

"One in a year is a lot," said Clarence Hightower, president of the Minneapolis Urban League. "Five in 15 days, that's way, way too many."

Homicide is just one measure of violent crime, however. When the count of this year's rapes, aggravated assaults and robberies is included, violent crime is down compared with the first two weeks of January a year ago. In 2006, there were at least four times in Minneapolis when five or more homicides occurred in spans of 15 days or fewer.

Charges in the first homicide of the year, on New Year's Day, allege that the victim was being harassed by his ex-girlfriend and a Minneapolis man. Two of the five, including the one Monday, were men killed in their cars.

Police Chief Tim Dolan said last week that he's confident that gang activity is not behind the spate of killings, but three of the five deaths don't yet have known motives.

That, however, is of little comfort to Elisa Smith, 28, who lives with her three children on Girard Avenue N., across the street and a few houses down from where the body was found Monday. The street was blocked off, and she had to park a block away. She was walking home with her kids about 11:30 a.m. Monday when a police officer yelled at her to steer clear from the crime scene. He didn't want the kids to have to see the body in the car, she said.

"I hear shots every night," she said. "I'm trying to break my lease so I can move."

When she rented the house a year and a half ago, the neighborhood seemed nice, she said. The houses looked good, and there were kids playing in the street. But now, every time she hears shots, she and her children drop to the floor, terrified of bullets coming through the walls. She always tries to do her grocery shopping in daylight hours because she is afraid to walk from her car to her house in the dark.

"It doesn't make sense to live like that," she said.

Smith and others on the street said they don't know their neighbors, and they are afraid to talk to each other. "I don't talk to nobody," said Monica Chavez, 21, who lives across the street from where the body was found.

While some community leaders have said that more police officers on the street would quell the homicide rate, Hightower said he believes the problems are more complex and difficult to fix.

"I think it's poverty," he said. "Housing is not the greatest, employment opportunities are not the greatest, and there's a bunch of young folk struggling to get through high school. All of those things are centered in that one place, and this is the result."

Mohamed Bibas, 32, who came to the United States from Tunisia seven years ago, said the solution is simple: Outlaw guns. "It's not the cops who make mistakes," he said. "This is the greatest country on Earth, but we need to get rid of the guns. This is not a war zone."

He works as a clerk in a Super USA convenience store two blocks from where the unidentified man was killed. He said he tries not to think about the homicides that have occurred near the store. "About 45 last year between here and Broadway," he said.

But he knows how close to danger he is. In 2004, he was scheduled to work a night shift during the Muslim holy period of Ramadan. He left for a while to pray at his mosque. And while Bibas was gone, a co-worker was shot and killed.

"He was killed right there," he said, pointing to the floor next to his feet behind the counter. "Why do we need guns?"

Josephine Marcotty • 612-673-7394 • [email protected]
 
But he knows how close to danger he is. In 2004, he was scheduled to work a night shift during the Muslim holy period of Ramadan. He left for a while to pray at his mosque. And while Bibas was gone, a co-worker was shot and killed.
"He was killed right there," he said, pointing to the floor next to his feet behind the counter. "Why do we need guns?"

Didn't he just answer his own question? A prayer and a gun is always better than just a prayer.
 
2A is an alien concept in most countries around the world. I've always thought the Americans can own guns because they are allowed by the government. I myself didn't realize that the U. S. Constitution protects the right of the people to bear arms, and the deeper purpose behind, until I came to live here.
 
"I think it's poverty"

There you go, then.

[People] kill each other [with guns] because of poverty.

People don't kill people, poverty kills people.

Wow! Now, not only do we avoid holding people responsible for acts of volition, we don't have to blame an object any more: we can blame an abstraction!
 
Philosophical answer...just another view...please don't flame

Two guys are looking at a bridge; one is a structural engineer, the other an artist, do you suppose they will be seeing the same bridge?

Cops, convinience store clerks, doctors and John Q. Public all see this issue from their point of view.

Luckily for us, the Constitution was written by practical minded people and it will protect us as long as we protect it.

Another reply; are you really surprised that the "Drive-by-Media" is "Anti" whatever gets in their way? Sex is fun, pregnancies bad, therefore we need abortion = Guns are bad therefore we need to get rid of the guns, same basic attitude. Try telling "them" that abstinence will also prevent unwanted pregnancies just as being careful with weapons will also prevent dangerous "discharges". Noooooooooo, heaven forbid people should take personal responsibility.

The only important thing we can do is vote on election day. Whoopi, we punished the Republicans and warned them that they are on notice, but do we want to weaken our side with President Rodham?

At least we have confirmation from Mr. Tunis (Bibas ?) that this is the greatest country in the world, he should know.
 
"I think it's poverty," he said. "Housing is not the greatest, employment opportunities are not the greatest, and there's a bunch of young folk struggling to get through high school. All of those things are centered in that one place, and this is the result."

What a profoundly stupid idea! The root cause of crime is criminals, not poverty.
 
I cannot believe the drivel that the Star&Tribune sometimes spews, just another way to get the editorial view on guns out without taking responsability for it.
I can just hear the editior spewing legaleeze about we are not responsable for the comments out interviews purport and blah blah blah.
A local News anchor did the same thing about the Must issue bill regarding CCW.
"Hear in just a moment, how many more of your neighbors may be Packin' Heaters" What an Arrogant boob. I notice they aren't publishing or reporting any statistics about how few crimes are commited by new permit holders.
The media in this town blows for the most part.
 
Why must he come from Tunisia to "the greatest country on Earth," yet disparage the very freedoms that his adopted country provides him?

It seems (more often than not) the immigrants who come to the US today, no matter where they are from, want to turn the USA into their home country, except with more money.

Or in the extreme, they come here and try to kill us.

This is very different from the attitude of the folks who immigrated around the beginning of the 20th century, who came here and embraced this country's values, learned the language, suffered great predjudice and struggled to extremes we'll never know. But they sucked it up and choked it down to give their children the American dream.

Both of my fathers parents came here from Italy with their parents in the early thirties as young children. They grew up in a depression-devastated New York where they struggled to survive. But rather than rant and rave about how wrong it was that they had to suffer so, they began working as soon as they could and put themselves through school, then began raising a family in the 1950's. They never demanded that the rest of America speak Italian. They never hung the stars and stripes upside down below the flag of Italy. They didn't segregate themselves from the other people of European descent who'd been here for generations. They never resorted to crime and then blamed societal opression for such deviant acts.

The new generation of immigrants have tendencies that are aggrivating, to say the least.
 
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