The 870 surface rust issue, is it *really* as bad as I've been reading?

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I figure at *some* point I may be adding an 870 to my small but growing shotgun collection (probably a 20 gauge, just to have something different), but one thing concerns me, in many of the 870 threads I've read, a common annoyance has been the ease at which an 870 tends to pick up a "bloom" of cosmetic surface corrosion, I figure it had to be a fluke

This afternoon, I stopped by my local "fun store", and looked at a bunch of 870's, love the solid feel of the pump action, but not a fan of the shell lifter getting in the way of loading, the safety, meh, not an issue, I have crossbolt safeties on my .22 rifles, so it's not something I haven't encountered before

However, I saw first-hand the corrosion issue on nearly every 870 I picked up, new, used, it mattered not, some were worse than others, but I'd say that at least 85-95% of the 870's I handled had rust on them somewhere

To be fair, these *are* firearms that are on display racks where they can be picked up by potential customers, and who knows how sweaty/salty their hands may be, or if they have exceptionally corrosive sweat, it's not fair to summary judge the entire line as "prone to rusting" when who knows how many people have handled them, it's not like they're wearing acid-free cotton gloves or wiping the guns down with a silicone cloth after handling....

Still, the corrosion issue concerns me, as we have a salt marsh on the outer edge of our property, and live a mere 10 minute drive from the beach (the fun shop is within walking distance of a salt marsh as well), so corrosion *would* be an issue for any 870 I would end up bringing home....

That said, no other pumpguns I looked at seemed to have such an issue with surface corrosion, "Brand M, Brand I, Brand B, Brand HR", and any other brand I picked up had no corrosion issues (ruling out old, abused guns obviously), the issue seemed largely endemic to the 870 line, and mattered not whether I was looking at an Express, or Wingmaster

Please tell me this is an issue with the display guns being handled by the "unwashed masses", and not a problem with an otherwise great pumpgun line
 
To put it bluntly, No.


Just spray her down with remoil when you get back to the house, or every 2 months or so if you don't take it out.
 
no other pumpguns I looked at seemed to have such an issue with surface corrosion

You saw it with your own eyes.

I have one. It rusts. I have never seen a gun that you have to oil this much. My Hi Point doesn't even rust like this.

If you are looking to get an 870, get an older model with the polished bluing. ;)
 
I have one. It rusts.
I couldn't have said it any better. Beats anything I've ever seen. Mine stays in the BR closet (climate controlled) for a HD shotgun and every few months when I take it out to replace the shells it has a light pattern of surface rust on it. If it wasn't so darned good at what I have it for, I'd have traded it away long ago......
 
...Or I can keep an eye out for an 870 in cosmetically rough shape, rusty and cheap, and then have it Duracoated/powder coated and not have to worry anymore....

There's a powder coating place nearby in Portsmouth NH, I could get the gun powdercoated for reasonably cheap
 
This is the second time I've heard a comment about the shell lifter getting in the way of loading.
It remains as incomprehensible to me as the first time I heard it. :)
I have never found the lifter to be in the way.
Denis
 
Back when I used to hunt the salt marshes with my polished blued guns, I would paint the metal with Rustoleum., and then a light overspray of camo bow paint. Never had any rust and when I went to sell some of them the bluing always still looked new.
 
I went to a very large used gun dealer this past Saturday and looked at literally hundreds of rifles and shotguns.
Many of these were 20,30,50 year old field pieces that had seen years of hunting and closets.
Most were blued and most were still in fair to very good shape.
Some had slight rust but most just had thinning of their once very rich blueing.
The Express 870's I saw there, and there were several, pretty much all looked tired and had rust or rust that had been cleaned up.
I take very good care of all my firearms but I owned Remington 700 in that same matted finish and trust me it is hard to keep the rust off of it.
Doable yes,but you will oil the metal on those far more frequently than any other firearm you probably own and even then with field use after a few years the finish just does not look all that good.
While also there I viewed two used Police 870's with the parkerized finish that was much much more durable than what Remington is applying to those 870 Express models.
There are hundreds of wonderful,beautiful and older blued Wingmasters on Gun Broker that you can purchase that with care will still look smart when your child inherits the shotgun.
 
Usually, the light surface rust that occurrs on the Express models can be cured with a quicke wipe down with CLP/
 
The one I have will rust if you look at it funny.. Remoil did do a thing. A light coat of Fluid Film did ok for a while but eventually wore off. Plus I really dont like my guns to leave grease spots on my clothes and gloves. The newer 870s have a better finish on their Express models. Its not as rough as previous ones. Its not polished or anything but its much smoother than the Express I purchased 3 years ago. I guess Remington reads peoples reviews on their guns.
 
I still have a 870 bought new in 1974. It was used on duty at times and is the older blued model. Not a hint of rust but it was always cleaned and coated with most recently CLP. Sounds like the gun store doesn't care for their stock very well. Uncared even the best will rust. Even our early 659's could lightly rust is left uncared for over a long period.

As far as functioning, they never failed us. Many problems come when new shooters treat them gently. But the newer ones may not be built as well. Saw one recently and I believe it had a synthetic trigger guard. Sign of the times I guess.

I'd look into a Duracoat or similar product is enviroment is an issue.

There's a powder coating place nearby in Portsmouth NH,
Where's that? I'm only a few miles away from Portsmouth.
 
I bought a new Express 12 ga. in 1993 and have used it for saltwater duck and goose hunting. A spray coat of Sheath/Barricade before the season was all it took to keep it rust free.

There's nothing like sitting in a skiff in a nor'easter to get a gun wet, but even on sunny days there was plenty of salt spray from plowing through waves on the Chesapeake.
 
I have an 870 Express that will soak up as much oil as you can put on it.......and it will still rust. A couple of weekends ago a bunch of us went camping and did a lot of shooting. There wasn't any rain involved, just Missouri humidity. After 3 days the gun looked like it had been left out in a field for a month.
When I got home it all came off with some CLP. but I swear that gun has the worst finish of any gun I have ever owned. Period.

Bought new in 2008.
 
This is the second time I've heard a comment about the shell lifter getting in the way of loading.
It remains as incomprehensible to me as the first time I heard it. :)
I have never found the lifter to be in the way.
Denis

Well, in a technical sense it is between you and the mag tube so it is in the way. I'm sure it's a non-issue when you get used to it. But if you're used to loading a gun without one (Mossberg, etc) it seems very inconvenient.
 
I also ran into the same situation with the 870 EXPRESS at the store (a big box). Looked at 5 of them and they all had very light rust. Weird, but it was only on the Remingtons and not the Mossbergs or NEF's.

Has anybody Duracoated theirs???
 
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I bet if you coated it with crisco (or gun oil) and put it in an oven at a bout 250 for a couple of hours the way you season a cast iron pan, I bet that finish would hold up a little better.

I have not tried it though and I never will because Express guns are for the birds. Ill take an older blued wingmaster.
 
Remington used to coat their guns with a nasty coating of a preservative that got all over everything and looked sort of like a rusty reddish smear. Do they still do this?

John
 
Express guns are for the birds.

Well, they can be, but I prefer a semi auto for the birds. My Express guns are for HD, both of them. One is about 3 years old and the other is 2 years old. Never seen any rust on either of them yet.

I do coat all of my guns with Howard Feed N wax. Wood and metal. I never have any rust.

Apparently, this works, or I am just the luckiest Express owner on the planet.

Just my little experience. If your Express is just a rust bucket and you hate it, send it to me and I will send you $50.00 for your trouble. Clearly the gun is worthless.
 
Zhyla,
I've owned & toted 870s at work for many years.
I have three now. (None of which rust, by the way, but all of which are not new Express models. :D )
I've worked with semi-autos that required the gun be in a specific condition for loading the magazine (otherwise the lifter was locked in place and TRULY was in the way), and even at the expense of rapidity of fire I'm sticking to the 870 platform.
Unlike more complicated designs, the lifter doesn't care what the rest of the gun's doing- cocked, uncocked, open or closed, the mag can be loaded through the loading port.
I've never found it to be in the way in the slightest. It's there, but it impedes loading not at all.
Denis
 
While I think we can all agree that the 870 Expresses have a crappy finish, to me that's the least of the problems with them. I don't think Remington listens to complaints like mentioned above. If they did, they would have taken care of the rough chambers by now instead of making the customer take care of it when his gun won't feed reliably.
 
Thing is, this thread's title refers to 870's, which is wrong really, as it should refer to 870Express's. My Wingmaster is 35 years old and certainly doesnt have any rust of it, surface or otherwise!
 
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