The AHSA Trolls are Out in Force

[Deanimator]

If it's trolling to advocate sensible compromise to preserve the 2nd Amendment, I am guilty.

Your "sensible compromises" on guns smell awfully like the "sensible compromises" proposed by pro-slavery forces prior to the Civil War.

In this case, what constitutes "trolling" is:

• Masquerading as a gun owner.
• Disseminating misinformation and disinformation in an attempt to deceive.
• Disguising abject capitulation as "compromise".
• Acting as a stalking horse for those who would create by force, an absolute monopoly on the means of armed force.

You're hardly the first participant in an anti-gun false flag operation to show up here. You surely won't be the last. What's amazing is your apparent belief that anyone here is gullible enough to fall for what you're peddling.

OR are you just here to create the flimsy illusion of gun owners willing to stop BEING gun owners without a fight? If so, you've failed miserably. Even the dullest wit can look at your stunning LACK of success in hoodwinking people here and see just how unpopular your propaganda is with REAL gun owners.

Never let it be said though that AHSA is afraid to quintuple down on failure...

 

[JFtheGR8]

Good one medal guy

I want to play-

I propose we close our borders to immigrants since the founding fathers knew nothing of welfare and thought people were coming to this country to actually contribute and not get a handout. How's that one?

Seriously though, we need to let people know that if one item in the Bill of Rights is up for grabs because it doesn't have the same relevance (which i believe the 2a is as relevant today as it was then) as when it was originally penned then the entire document is open for debate.


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[ApacheCoTodd]

I get the content of the OP but not the object.

Who or what is an AHSA?

 

[JFtheGR8]

I get the content of the OP but not the object. Who or what is an AHSA?

Read the posts. It's in there as well as a wikipedia link.

 

[68wj]

I support compromise. I am in favor of sensible repeal of many firearm restrictions. Not all of them, but that is where the compromise comes in. How about the legitamacy of a federal excise tax on a constitutionally named item? That could go, unless it is vital revenue. Maybe some of the NFA stuff?

How about we really get to the heart of what happened? Evil exists, and there are many either doing nothing to help or are simply standing in the way of the good defending themselves.

 

[Sam1911]

[Now guys...be friendly like. Or go somewhere else.]

 

[Sky]

If and when anything is done, I think it will basically make it harder for the average Joe to purchase an assault rifle of any type. Plus ammo will go up in price. I hate to say it, but I am at the point where I think something definitely needs to change. As a father of two small children, I can't fathom what these parents are going through. I'll gladly turn in all of my guns if it means another child or innocent person won't be killed. Just my opinion.


My response was:

How many kids died at Waco or Okla. how many babies are aborted a day, how many kids have been killed by drone attacks this last year, how many were abused by strangers or parents etc etc....your guns turned in will not do anything to save the children: it will only let EVIL prevail.
The people who have instigated and believed in gun free zones are reaping what they have sown. Now is not the time to roll over like Rover...Guns protect and stop crime hundreds and thousands of times a year (2.5 million?) Turning in your guns might make you feel better but IMO it will do nothing but make you a gun free target.

On another board a guy posted about turning in his guns for the children: I could probably find numerous threads here at THR where it was stated that "it will begin by saying we need to do it for the children" which IMO could not be further from the truth.

 

[Cosmoline]

I'll gladly turn in all of my guns if it means another child or innocent person won't be killed. Just my opinion.

Unless you're planning on murdering people, then turning in all of your guns will do NOTHING except leave you HELPLESS to stop someone from killing you and yours. See how that works?

And making a law to order me to give up my firearms won't help save you either. Quite the contrary. We'll end up with a de facto civil war pitting people who would never murder against other people who would never murder. What's the point? Why not stop blaming people for things they never did, or punishing them for crimes they never committed?

 

[Skribs]

I'll gladly turn in all of my guns if it means another child or innocent person won't be killed. Just my opinion.

This was also posted on Facebook by the band Disturbed. I didn't say anything, but my thought process was "stick to singing."

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Here's my thoughts on the issue:

I believe in 4 reasonable restrictions:
1) Treat the gun as if it were loaded.
2) Only point the muzzle at something you are willing to shoot.
3) Keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot.
4) Be sure of your target and what is behind it.

I also believe in good gun control, obtained through proper stance, grip, sight picture, and trigger manipulation.

I would gladly give up my guns to get better guns.

I believe in compromise. It should be legal to not own guns if you don't want them. You can have that right, and I should have the right to own whatever gun I want. I will also respect your wishes and not defend you if you need me to, because you do not believe it should be used in your defense.

Oh, sorry for using those buzz words. But I have a high post count so it's okay

ETA: missed a few: hunting, inevitable, assault weapon.

 

[Sky]

Quote:
I'll gladly turn in all of my guns if it means another child or innocent person won't be killed. Just my opinion.
This was also posted on Facebook by the band Disturbed. I didn't say anything, but my thought process was "stick to singing."

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Here's my thoughts on the issue:

I believe in 4 reasonable restrictions:
1) Treat the gun as if it were loaded.
2) Only point the muzzle at something you are willing to shoot.
3) Keep your finger off the trigger until ready to shoot.
4) Be sure of your target and what is behind it.

I also believe in good gun control, obtained through proper stance, grip, sight picture, and trigger manipulation.

I would gladly give up my guns to get better guns.

I believe in compromise. It should be legal to not own guns if you don't want them. You can have that right, and I should have the right to own whatever gun I want. I will also respect your wishes and not defend you if you need me to, because you do not believe it should be used in your defense.

Oh, sorry for using those buzz words. But I have a high post count so it's okay

ETA: missed a few: hunting, inevitable, assault weapon.

You are to far away or I would buy you a Dr. Pepper or whatever?

 

[Deanimator]

Low post count fifth columnists have been turning up on a LOT of firearms message boards in the past few days.

It's a pattern and a pathetically obvious one.

Needless to say, they're meeting the same level of contempt that they always do. And still they come back for their regular beatings.

As the punchline of a very funny joke says, "You're not really coming here to hunt, are you?"

 

[Trueno]

Low post count fifth columnists have been turning up on a LOT of firearms message boards in the past few days.

Any here at THR?

t

 

[AKMtnRunner]

How bad is it to propose elevating the level of gun responsibility if it appeases anti gunners? With more freedom, there has to be a higher level of responsibility and accountability. As long as we hold the right to bear arms without pledging to anti's our sincerety for meaningful gun safety, we'll be painted as irresponsible and a threat to society.

 

[d2wing]

It is pretty obvious, the low post count and the dormant account for a few years.

They should all be asking for teachers to have the right (for those that volunteer) to be able to carry concealed at schools.

You cannot protect children from an armed maniac in an area that is a known gun free zone. It is blatently obvious the reason schools are targeted is because there are no guns there and the media sensationalism incites other lunatics to follow the same path.

Schools are a turkey shoot for any deranged lunatic.

Amen

 

[Deanimator]

Any here at THR?

Absolutely.

Just look for:

• posters claiming to be "gun owners" who don't know the slightest thing about guns.
• low post counts.
• VERY recent account creation.
• an arrogant, superior attitude.
• calls for "compromise" that are really just demands for utter capitulation.
• attacks on the NRA.
• use of buzzwords such as "assault weapon" and "hidden loaded guns".
• claims of the inevitability of gun control.
• outright lies about recent events, firearm facts., etc.
• total ignorance of existing firearms law, accompanied by demands for harshly repressive new laws.

They're not hard to pick out.

 

[Cosmoline]

How bad is it to propose elevating the level of gun responsibility if it appeases anti gunners?

Because gun control has nothing to do with guns. It's about control. So a "reasonable restriction" to keep arms locked up is a ticket into those homes to make sure they are locked up. That's the entire point of the law. Increasing safety has nothing to do with any of it.

 

[d2wing]

Because gun control has nothing to do with guns. It's about control. So a "reasonable restriction" to keep arms locked up is a ticket into those homes to make sure they are locked up. That's the entire point of the law. Increasing safety has nothing to do with any of it.

Good reply cosmo

 

[Trueno]

How bad is it to propose elevating the level of gun responsibility if it appeases anti gunners? With more freedom, there has to be a higher level of responsibility and accountability. As long as we hold the right to bear arms without pledging to anti's our sincerety for meaningful gun safety, we'll be painted as irresponsible and a threat to society.

Our pledge to "gun responsibility" has already been done and even has laws governing it. Do you by some chance have any proposals as to what the antis/gungrabbers/blatant fascists such as Schumer and Feinenstein should now give us?

How about a federal law against BS gun laws?

t

 

[d2wing]

The only way to protect children is to have armed guards or armed staff members. As a black girl just posted on Utube if slaves were allowed to have guns, they would not be slaves.
In China a man killed several school children with a knife. Why, because they were not protected.

 

[Trueno]

Absolutely.

Just look for:

Sorry, thought you might actually have some examples.


thanks anyway,

t

 

[Trueno]

The only way to protect children is to have armed guards or armed staff members. As a black girl just posted on Utube if slaves were allowed to have guns, they would not be slaves.
In China a man killed several school children with a knife. Why, because they were not protected.

Massad Ayoob on how the Israelis do it.

http://backwoodshome.com/blogs/MassadAyoob/2012/12/18/beyond-symbolism-protecting-the-children/

 

[Skribs]

Thanks for the offer, Sky!

AK, responsibility should only be ensured via laws regarding the USE of deadly weapons, not the ownership of guns. We as a community have to be vigilant about responsible use.

 

[Deanimator]

How bad is it to propose elevating the level of gun responsibility if it appeases anti gunners?

1. NOTHING will EVER "appease" anti-gunners except TOTAL citizen disarmament.
2. The NRA has been promoting safe and responsible firearms ownership since the 1870s. Anti-gunners HATE the NRA.

 

[Sam1911]

Sorry, thought you might actually have some examples.

We would GREATLY appreciate if there is no thread accusing members by name of being 5th columnists, plants, AHSA trolls or whatever.

There's no problem with people discussing what's on their mind WRT gun control -- and of proposing and countering possible strategies for how to move forward.

If there truly are "plants," they won't be tolerated for long, and/or will soon grow tired of receiving nothing but firm, logical refutation of their claims and ideas.

So ... pretty please with a cherry on top scrutiny ... no "witch hunt" threads.

 

[RungSat65]

Post count

I don't post a lot either! I enjoy the High Road for the great info and the ocassional funny posting.