Sam1911
Moderator Emeritus
Oh, good then, as we are ALL part of the "militia". Which brings us full circle. The militia is US. We DO need these guns to fulfill our role. A membership card or insignia is not required.
The Answer to the AWB!
- Thread starter krupparms
- Start date
- Status
Guillermo
member
I was unaware that there was an "assault" weapon ban that needs to be answered.
With the "hair trigger" closing of threads in the "activism" forum I am shocked that this one is still open. (I had a "letter writing/boycott" thread closed because it was not "activist" enough.
)
Personally I like the proactive thinking.
G
With the "hair trigger" closing of threads in the "activism" forum I am shocked that this one is still open. (I had a "letter writing/boycott" thread closed because it was not "activist" enough.
) Personally I like the proactive thinking.
G
krupparms
Member
I believe under the law of land warfare you must wear a insigina or badge of some kind. And I believe a proposed AWB would violate the rules under the US codes that state we should have weapons of current military pattern. If an AWB is proposed maybe a protest /march done under the proper conditions could work! No one has to agree! That is part of the system. I hope the Republic is here the day I die so I may pass it on that way! Happy New Year To All!
Double Naught Spy
Sus Venator
Just exactly which codes are those again that state militias must have current military pattern rifles.
krupparms
Member
As I am moving to a new apt. I don't have my books &reference material with me. It can be found under the U.S. Codes covering the militia. If you look online they are not to hard to find. I would recommend a constitutional website. Most of the Information will cover both the organized & unorganized militias.Just my view the Texas Militias are out there &doing a good job of making the militia look good. They are a good example for us all. JMO.
Last edited:
Double Naught Spy
Sus Venator
Sorry, but I don't have your materials either.
Since you are making the claim that it exists, you should substantiate it!
That none of the great minds at the NRA and other pro-gun organizations would have seemingly missed this apparently obvious counter argument to the AWB of 1994 and that it would counter any such future AWBs would definitely indicate that what you are claiming as being real isn't actually within the code as you claim.
Since you are making the claim that it exists, you should substantiate it!
That none of the great minds at the NRA and other pro-gun organizations would have seemingly missed this apparently obvious counter argument to the AWB of 1994 and that it would counter any such future AWBs would definitely indicate that what you are claiming as being real isn't actually within the code as you claim.
krupparms
Member
That is a good question, why didnt the NRA use this information back in 94? Why don't you ask them? When I asked way back then, I received a form letter asking for more of my money to stop the AWB! No comments on the information or question! I have read these codes &have no reason to lie! While your post is a attempt to shut me up &change the subject! That alone speaks to your attempt to end a conversation that is needed for alot of important reasons! One being the proposed AWB of 2013! Something that the NRA or anyone else will be unable to stop! Instead of trying to pick things apart, let's put something together. A united front against the AWB! You all have a happy new year! JMO
r1derbike
Member
I have to agree that, to the uninitiated who never owned a firearm, or read the constitution pertaining to us, the word "militia", in present anti fashion, would leave a negative connotation to those who would hear it in defense of our rights.
After the recent atrocities, and the media's ignorant (and blatantly stupid) coverage of them, we have an uphill battle to convince the uneducated about anything.
We will fight this battle in the political trough, inside the beltway, and with all our local and state representatives.
The idea is sound, its execution needs some deep thought. Hang together or hang separately.
After the recent atrocities, and the media's ignorant (and blatantly stupid) coverage of them, we have an uphill battle to convince the uneducated about anything.
We will fight this battle in the political trough, inside the beltway, and with all our local and state representatives.
The idea is sound, its execution needs some deep thought. Hang together or hang separately.
Guillermo
member
“I ask sir, what is the militia? It is the whole body of the people except for a few public officials. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them…”
George Mason (1725-1792), drafted the Virginia Declaration of Rights, ally of James Madison and George Washington
George Mason (1725-1792), drafted the Virginia Declaration of Rights, ally of James Madison and George Washington
Double Naught Spy
Sus Venator
It is a simple answer, krupparms, because your claimed US code does not exist, at least not that you have been able to prove.
krupparms
Member
Your Right I I am NOT going to prove it today just to make you happy! I will send you a copy as soon as I get my things out of storage. I am not going to argue with you! I have read them. If you Have not Then what Can I say! thank you all 4 the good conversation! Have a happy new year! DNS I will Send you a copy As soon as I can. In the meantime please quit trying to derail the conversation. Thank you.
krupparms
Member
It would seem that every time we try to discuss this topic someone jumps in to start an argument. I would hope that even those who disagree can still talk about it without all the need to argue & turn the talk into a argument! Please let's try to stay on topic even if we don't agree! These are important subjects! I am not saying I have all the answers. But I do have opinions as do others. We grow thru these conversation & hopefully learn from them!
Double Naught Spy
Sus Venator
Well let me help you out of the argument, krupparms.
A legal militia isn't the answer to the AWB. No militia law stated that the militia must be armed with current military pattern guns and so that argument of yours is out the proverbial window. Moreover, no militia law is current that states the arming of a militia save for the Militia Act of 1903 which replaced the succession of Militia Acts starting in 1792. The Militia Act of 1903 established the National Guard. Weaponry of the Guard is not private weapons and so is would not fall under the guise of the AWB.
The reason why the brains at the NRA did not challenge the 1994 AWB on the grounds of the militia codes that you claimed to exist is because such codes, even if they were as you believed them to be, are no longer in effect.
Of course if you were going to base your argument on the second Militia Act of 1792 that stipulated weaponry, then your plan would still fall short. After all, given the legal composition of the militia stipulated at the time, it really only applied to white males. Blacks were not allowed to serve until 1862 as covered by the Militia Act of 1862 and didn't get equal pay until 1864, but women were still not allowed at that time.
Your argument is based on laws not current for more than 100 years and so is baseless today.
Do you have any solutions that are based on any laws that are currently in effect?
A legal militia isn't the answer to the AWB. No militia law stated that the militia must be armed with current military pattern guns and so that argument of yours is out the proverbial window. Moreover, no militia law is current that states the arming of a militia save for the Militia Act of 1903 which replaced the succession of Militia Acts starting in 1792. The Militia Act of 1903 established the National Guard. Weaponry of the Guard is not private weapons and so is would not fall under the guise of the AWB.
The reason why the brains at the NRA did not challenge the 1994 AWB on the grounds of the militia codes that you claimed to exist is because such codes, even if they were as you believed them to be, are no longer in effect.
Of course if you were going to base your argument on the second Militia Act of 1792 that stipulated weaponry, then your plan would still fall short. After all, given the legal composition of the militia stipulated at the time, it really only applied to white males. Blacks were not allowed to serve until 1862 as covered by the Militia Act of 1862 and didn't get equal pay until 1864, but women were still not allowed at that time.
Your argument is based on laws not current for more than 100 years and so is baseless today.
Do you have any solutions that are based on any laws that are currently in effect?
krupparms
Member
My suggestion was not dependent on the US code that I brought up! A peaceful protest /march could work if done &handled right! My stuff is in storage, when I get it I will check it &if I am wrong I will retract it! But my suggestion was not based on it! What are your suggestions? Writing letters &making phone calls! It has not worked for the veterans! Thousands who are waiting for our government to do the right &leagle things for them! Were must be as proactive as the antiwar protesters during Vietnam! &The civil rights protest &marches! JMO! Good luck, keep your powder dry &happy new year!
krupparms
Member
It would seem that there are two main sides to this issue. Should we all write letters, call our representatives &join or send money to the NRA &hope they don't let us down like last time! The other point of view is that none of that will work &we will lose even more rights! The big question is WHAT DO WE DO? I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER! WISH I DID!!MAYBE WE CAN COME TOGETHER &WIN THIS ONE! BUT I DOUBT IT. WE HAVE GROWN TO FAR APART I FEAR! MAY JAHOVA WATCH OVER US! &KEEP US SAFE!
- Status