The Anti-Gunner's Bedrock and how to attack it

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This is a long article, however it is worthy reading for the research minded, results oriented firearm activist.

This is the availability thing still being trotted out. It started with the Kellermann paper in the 1990's and despite that study being refuted, this direction has continued.

This is bedrock material for the American anti-gun organisations.

http://www.bradycampaign.org/facts/factsheets/pdf/home.pdf

The non-sequitur lies in the constantly assumed premise that if there is no gun there'll be no murder.

Notice how everytime there is a new CCW measure passed, the anti-gun groups all claim that the streets will run red with blood?

That doesn't bear out -- ever, but it is the mantra that they constantly claim.

Same thing with the sunset of the Assault Weapons Ban.

http://washingtontimes.com/culture/20050606-115612-7425r.htm

When the federal assault-weapons ban expired last September, its fans claimed that gun crimes and police killings would surge. Sarah Brady, one of the nation's leading gun-control advocates, warned, 'Our streets are going to be filled with AK-47s and Uzis.'

Rather than getting angry, we should be taking examples of this, where ever in the world that they happen, and pointing these facts out, as politely and diplomatically as possible.

Remember, the audience is likely "anti-gun" and your decision to "give them a piece of your mind" plays right into their prejudices against gun owners.

This kind of information can be sent to newspapers, especially newspapers from other countries as short, spell-checked, grammer checked letters to the editor. Keep in mind that in many cases, the expert is simply the person who travelled the furthest to get to the meeting.

Newspapers love publishing letters from far away readers, it tells them that their words are making a difference world wide.

Your words can to! This is effective in that it will tell those who spread this false information that the eyes of the world are on them.

It can be sent to school boards, city councils, congressmen, senators, and the White House.

Your efforts can help make a difference!

TIZ

Here is the email address to comment on the article below:

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Webpublished at http://www.theinfozone.net/salw1.html
Guns And Gender Violence - a Lethal Combination
November 16, 2005

Johannesburg, Nov 16, 2005 (UN Integrated Regional Information
Networks/All Africa Global Media via COMTEX) -- Victoria [not her real name]
thought she had the law on her side when she left her abusive partner and
successfully applied for a protection order against him.
According to provisions set out in South Africa's 1998 Domestic Violence
Act and reinforced by recently enacted firearms legislation, the order gave
the police powers to confiscate the gun that had repeatedly been used to
terrorise her.
She also had the full support of People Opposing Women Abuse (POWA), a
Johannesburg-based NGO that provides legal assistance, shelter and advice to
women suffering abuse at the hands of violent partners.
POWA's legal advisor even accompanied Victoria on the day in September
when she had to face her former partner in court to apply for maintenance
support for her four children.
After leaving the courthouse, she walked her daughter to the shelter
where she was staying. Her former partner followed them for about two
kilometers before fatally shooting them both, using the same weapon the
police had earlier confiscated.
Just how and why he was able to obtain the gun is still under
investigation, but for Carrie Shelver, POWA's public awareness manager, the
case highlights the limitations of even the best intentioned laws.
"Legislation can only go so far," she said. "It's really about changing
mindsets and changing the institutions that create those mindsets."
The 16 days that fall between 25 November (International Day of No
Violence Against Women) and 10 December (International Human Rights Day)
have been set aside by the United Nations as a period of awareness raising
on the issue of violence against women.
In South Africa the campaign has been seized upon by government and the
media as an opportunity to put domestic violence in the spotlight. But NGOs
like POWA, which work towards the eradication of violence against women year
round, have their doubts about the long-term impact of such campaigns.
"We do support it, but what happens on day 17?" asked Shelver.
Guns And Violence
In South Africa the presence of 3.7 million legally registered guns and
an unknown - but by some estimates even larger - pool of illegal firearms
has added a lethal dimension to many cases of domestic violence.
According to the Medical Research Council (MRC), a woman is shot dead by
her current or former partner every six hours, and such cases rose by 78
percent between 1990 and 1999.
Naeema Abrahams has researched the role of guns in domestic violence for
the MRC's Gender and Health Research Unit. Looking at all the female victims
of homicide in South Africa in 1999, Abrahams and her team found that one in
three were killed with a gun; of those, half were shot by their intimate
partner, and 71 percent in their own homes.
The study also found that in 20 percent of cases, the women were shot
with a legally owned weapon.
"The men often get a legal gun to protect themselves against crime, but
it becomes a weapon used against their partners," Abrahams explained. The
study showed that women whose partners worked in the security industry were
particularly at risk.
"It's availability," Abrahams noted. "You have a fight, and it's so easy
to just pull out a gun. It's different from being stabbed or hit with a fist
because women can't protect themselves."
The Domestic Violence Act was intended to give women greater protection
but Shelver reports that so far, its impact has fallen short of
expectations.
"Women are increasingly quite disillusioned. They say, 'how is this
piece of paper going to stop a bullet from hitting me?'"
Recent research into implementation of the Act, conducted by the South
African Centre for the Study of Violence and Reconciliation (CSVR), found
that police rarely took the step of confiscating weapons from alleged
abusers.
Tiny Moloko, POWA's clinical manager, supported the finding. "Quite a
few women say they've applied for protection orders but that the guns
haven't been confiscated," she noted.
Stricter controls surrounding gun ownership have come into effect in the
last couple of years and exclude anyone with prior convictions of domestic
abuse from obtaining a licence. The problem, says groups like POWA, is that
in many cases women do not report abuse to the police or are intimidated
into withdrawing charges, so that a history of violent behaviour often goes
undetected.
Lisa Vetten, programme manager for gender violence at CSVR, said there
was evidence of a history of abuse in 20 percent of cases where women were
killed by their partners, but that women only laid charges in three percent
of cases.
"A lot of women are actively encouraged by the police not to pursue
charges," Vetten said. "I think not all of them [the police] take domestic
violence as seriously as they should."
In many cases, she added, women might not know they had the right to
have a gun removed and the police failed to notify them or to proactively
confiscate weapons from abusers.
Groups like POWA and Gun-Free South Africa, an anti-gun lobby group, are
working to educate women about their legal rights, and provide skills
development to police, court officials and health workers who come into
contact with women experiencing domestic violence.
Meanwhile, grisly stories about men killing their partners or even their
entire families before killing themselves continue to be splashed across the
pages of South African newspapers on an almost weekly basis.
Vetten confirmed that cases of intimate femicide-suicide in South Africa
have increased and that the proliferation of guns was probably a major
contributing factor. But both Vetten and Shelver disputed the commonly held
notion that the prevalence of gun violence and intimate femicide in South
Africa was simply the legacy of the country's apartheid years.
"Violence against women is a global phenomenon," said Shelver. "Lower
levels of such violence exist in countries with better laws to protect
women."
Getting Through To Men
According to Moloko, the reasons men gave for shooting their partners
were often mundane, but the underlying motivations were the desire to assert
power or control. Such motives might have more to do with male socialisation
than South Africa's violent history.
The Men as Partners (MAP) Programme, an initiative started by the
international NGO, EngenderHealth, and run by a network of affiliates
throughout the country, works to challenge male assumptions about gender and
encourages men to take a stand against domestic violence.
EngenderHealth's programme manager for South Africa, Dean Peacock,
suggested that in a society where men have lost both income and jobs, they
might use gun ownership and violence against women as ways to regain their
sense of power.
After going through a series of workshops, male participants often began
to question their definitions of masculinity, including the equation of
manhood with violence towards women.
"I grew up in an environment where beating ladies was the order of the
day, and it just made you think it was normal," said MAP workshop
facilitator Li Buthelezi. "If I was pissed [drunk] I would just lift my hand
and 'klap' [slap] her a couple times - it was just me showing my manhood.
After MAP you start seeing women differently; you see them as equals."
Abrahams believed that given the proper allocation of resources and
training, the Domestic Violence Act, combined with new laws governing gun
ownership, could have an impact on levels of gun violence against women. The
key, said Abrahams, lay in the level of commitment to implementation by
government and police.
In Shelver's view, it was effective implementation that was still
lacking.
"In practice, there are a lot of problems around implementation. The
problem is not getting gun removal into the protection order, but in getting
police to implement it," she said. "In some cases guns are removed and then
handed back."
 
Tiz:

Sorry, there's just no silver bullet.

The bedrock of gun bigotry is an elite cadre of people whose agenda does not include an armed populace, and accordingly spend tens of millions of dollars every year funding activities towards the goal of civil disarmament by any means.

These people are well aware of the facts, and are unpursuaded by them. They flat out lie in service to their goals, blatantly and regularly.

This is EVIL.


There is another strata of people who are the useful fools of the upper cadre. Some of them are reachable, but a lot aren't. Their motivations are all over the map: emotion, fear, ignorance. Turning a gun bigot is rarely as easy as presenting what we have all found to be true in the face of the tests of time.
 
I do not suggest that this is a silver bullet, it is a tactic as a part of a larger strategy.

The bedrock of the anti-gun movement is linking firearms accessability to high crime rates. They have tied this in to the concept of firearm ownership as some form of 'disease'.

They have a bedrock which the CCW legislation is proving is false. They have a bedrock that John Lott has proven is false.

They make claims repeatedly which are false.

In a May 2005 report "Biting the Bullet" the anti-firearm lobby, with support from some governments, are targeting ammunition. The claim is that small arms ammunition is dangerous because it can explode. This is a claim which sound science does not back up. Smokeless gunpowder, the propellant in small arms ammunition does not explode, it deflagrates.

One of the keys to turning the issue on its ear and reversing the trend is not a matter for anger, it is a matter of studying how the anti-gun groups have achieved their progress and then turning their tactics against them.

Adding youth programs, firearm and hunter education and other measures to increase firearm ownership are great, but they will not reverse the international measure.

It was the end of the cold war, and the threat of nuclear war that lead to the growth of the anti-gun movement. These do-gooders were faced with a possible end of the research grants and world travel, and needed a new subject.

TIZ
 
sv, we here on the firearms forums are not typical in terms of number of guns owned. I have tons of friends that only own 1 (a shotgun, typically) and several more who own just a shotgun and a deer rifle. They pick them up a couple times a year to go hunting and don't think about them much outside of that.

For every person that owns 1, someone else must own 7 to get up to that average. I own A LOT of guns, but not nearly enough to get the average of myself and all of my gun owning friends up to 4 per person. I'd guess 4 per owner is pretty accurate.
 
Average of four guns per household? What is a reasonable breakdown?

Hunters: 22 rifle, shotgun, deer rifle, and one handgun
Non-Hunters: 22 rifle, 22 pistol, shotgun, and one other handgun.

Most people don't have hordes of guns stashed away. I doubt that the average household owns four firearms overall in the US. My suspicion is that 75% of the guns are owned by about 25% of gun owners and the rest are one and two gun ownership scenarios, if any. No facts to back this up, just intuition.
 
Coming up with estimates of the number of gun owners, and the number of rifles, shotguns and handguns that they own is hard work.

If the telephone rang and a survey company wanted to know would you tell them?

TIZ
 
Tiz,

Facts are great for stopping an unjustified new law, but not so useful in repealing laws which passed in the heat of false info while activists (like us) weren't as motivated. As pointed out previously, these people and the legislators they lobby know the facts, they just don't care.

You're right about keeping the facts out there, and exposing the lies. The more their credibility is undercut, the more fence sitters will discount their hysterical rants.
 
The UN and almost all government measures against firearms are predicated on the idea that it is a public safety issue.

Frankly that is usually the smokescreen.

For example, The 8th World Conference on Injury Prevention and Safety Promotion will be held in Durban, South Africa from the 2nd to 5th April 2006.

Visit the conference website http://www.safety2006.info for more information on the conference theme, objectives, committee members, destination Durban - South Africa, ancillary events and marketing opportunities. The website will be updated frequently with new developments - keep contact though the website as the principal source of information about this event or contact the secretariat at [email protected]

However there are no plans and no mention of firearm safety at this 8th World Conference.

Perhaps this should be asked by a few dozen gun owners of the Conference Secretariat.

Bloody incredible.

TIZ
 
They estimate 50mm owners and about 200mm guns. That is only 4 per owner.

That is definitely low, at least as far as number of owners and number of guns. I've never seen any credible study that gave a number less than 65 million owners and 250 million guns in the USA, and the actual number is probably closer to 80 million owners and 300 million guns.
 
I don't buy it. Anti-gun progressive liberals don't think like that.


Convincing them of statistics is futile. You don't understand them, they do not care what the numbers say. They are focused on emotion and view the problem as a personal one. Telling them that "assault weapons" are only used in 2% of crimes vs. knives which are used in 8% is meaningless to them. The amount doesn't matter, it is the idea that even 1 child is hurt by violence.


Reminding them that blood did not flow through the streets after the AWB expiration is also meaningless, because so long as 1 instance of a shooting with an AW exists...it is reason enough to continue their battle.


That is the mindset. There is no changing them. The only way for them to change is if they encounter some life-threatening situation. Like being mugged and feeling defenseless. Then seeking out personal protection after discovering police can't help, all the while they feel betrayed that the system isn't working for them, and more precisely, that it was never meant to protect them.They might have a shift in world-view. Become more individualist thinking. Seek out a firearm with reservations. Once they try, they will get hooked and then learn that everything they've been taught and led to believe about guns were lies.

It happens. But it is very, very rare.
 
There are ten million rounds of .22 rimfire ammunition manufactured in the United States every day.

Who knew?

TIZ
 
responses to issues raised this thread....

I own about forty-eight guns. One non-firing replica.
One unsafe gun rendered non-firing.

*****

The gun control people use the stereotype of "abusive man with
gun and helpless woman" and imply getting rid of guns will stop
violence against women.

Personally, I know of three incidents off the top of my head
where women have used guns to hold off estranged husbands
and an abusive boyfriend, and another incident where a woman's
roommate rescued her from a home invader by brandishing a .357.
All four incidents resulted in the women being safe and the
abusive men leaving the premises "chasened but unscathed."

Two of the four incidents resulted in a police report. Crimes
deterred by armed victims are often not reported and are
not counted.

Real life and Brady/VPC propaganda are two different things.
I have seen and heard of many incidents where the presence of
a gun deterred violence and did not escalate violence. This
does not make news: one homicide report trumps four live women.

To quote THR Girlwithagun:
A trusty 1911: $600
A box of hollow points: $20
Not being afraid when your husband
isn't home: Priceless
Apparently she is not afraid when hubby is home with her and
the gun. This is like the old claim that women were being
beaten on Super Bowl Sunday because football inspired men
to violence: those who bothered to examine the domestic
violence stats found no increase in domestic violence on
Super Bowl Sundays. It was an urban myth.

*****

A columnist wrote a article about "gun safety" and got bombarded
with unexpected knee-jerk anti-gun control reactions that
puzzled the heck out of her and convinced her gun enthusiasts
were all nuts. I wrote her privately and tried to explain the
context of those responses; she wrote me that she understood
that some "gun safety" groups had secret agendas, but she was
honestly interested only in preventing accidents and not in
banning guns.

Even if I think the message won't get through, I always try
to respond to "antis" as though I were trying to persuade a
dear friend that they were simply mistaken.

We do not help our cause by flying off the handle.
 
The appeals that we should be making are NOT to the anti-gun NGOs.

When Carl said "Even if I think the message won't get through, I always try
to respond to "antis" as though I were trying to persuade a dear friend that they were simply mistaken."

"We do not help our cause by flying off the handle."

He is absolutely right.

Our target has to be multiple.

First, political, second media, third intellectual.

There are scholars who write on the SALW and Gun issues, they produce long papers, often for many they are difficult to read.

John Lott did an amazing effort in his book More Guns, Less Crime, which is exactly why the anti-gun NGOs and gun grabbing media and politicians attacked him.

The Internet, while a valued tool for our side, is equally used against us.

At the UN the general trend is that of intellectual discourse.

Getting angry at the diplomats actually is, at that level, an extreme show of weakness. It is not unlike if you went hunting by entering the woods screaming 'bambi come'.

These people see insults as proof that they are on the right track. Think of it, would you want what appears to be an out of control person to have access to weapons? America didn't want an out of control dictator in Iraq to have access to weapons, and finally acted, while the UN sat on the side.

To become effective, we need to work on what their weaknesses are. Then exploit those weaknesses.

An example.

The Assault Weapons Ban expired over a year ago, a concentrated campaign, coming out of the blue to media, with letters to the editors, and calls to radio shows simply asking...'where is the blood in the streets' that Sarah Brady promised?

While most might not be published, such letters are read by editors. Next time Sarah Brady rushes into a debate we have planted seeds of doubt.

Think of it this way, for years people claimed and denounced Dan Rather over his antigun and liberal ways, until he stepped over the line in his reporting there was no penalty.

Brady has claimed CCW and the Assault weapons ban would increase deaths and cause blood to run in the streets.

Can you imagine the smugness of the media and the anti gun groups if murders rose? We need to take that line of garbage that they spew and denounce it permanently.

Surely we now can claim victory on this, and use this as a tactical move to hammer on these false claims.

Letters to congressmen and senators from both parties would serve like flu shots against future moves.

It is two years before the next election, politicians do not think people are watching right now, that is why this is the time to become active.

TIZ
 
These people are well aware of the facts, and are unpursuaded by them. They flat out lie in service to their goals, blatantly and regularly.
This is EVIL.

Although I like having facts at my disposal, I can truthfully tell you I've never known mere facts to stop evil in its tracks. Ignorance, yes; evil, no.

I believe the total number of true anti-Second Amendment bigots is actually quite small, although those creatures are very well funded. The vast majority of their supporters, active and passive alike, are merely ignorant. Some can be reached by facts; some are too dumb to be able to deal with facts; many already have their "minds" made up, and aren't about to be confused by facts.

The leftist extremists are going to remain letist extremists no matter what.
 
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