The Browning Hi Power Mk 2: Initial thoughts and observations

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This pistol will be familiar to many readers but, even though I’ve seen a handgun owner for almost 40 years (and classic 9mm pistols being one of my favourite types) I’ve never owned Hi Power until this one showed up in the mail today—an excellent pre-Christmas present! It was pouring rain with high winds here today and with the malls jammed with shoppers I thought it an ideal day to stay home familiarize myself with my new pistol.

When I first picked it up I was surprised at how slim and comfortable the grip is! Even though I’d read about how comfortable it is I was still surprised. I think it may be the best fitting pistol for my small hands I’ve ever owned. It’s quite close in feel to the small grip model I’ve got on my SIG P320, but the Hi Power feels s bit better at first grip.

I’m not sure of the pistol’s finish—I think it’s parkerized but it may be some other type of matte finish. The frame on mine is a little bit lighter giving a pleasing subtle two-tone look.
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The previous owner added skateboard tape to the front and backstraps— I expected to remove it right away but it feels pretty good to be honest. I wasn’t really crazy about the look of the grips but they feel pretty good too—the vestigial thumbrest fits me very well.
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It’s a Mark II model—the “PR” date code in the serial number indicates that it was made in 1987 (the 245 prefix denotes a 9mm model). For a pistol made then, when three dot sights were quite common, the sights are surprisingly small, with no three dots or any other highlighting. Here’s the rear sight—you can see the rib that runs the full length of the slide:
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And here’s the front sight—it’s machined rather the dovetailed in, so I won’t be replacing it! The sight picture against a lighter background is quite crisp, although they do tend to disappear against a dark background (at least around the house!)
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The pistol has ambidextrous safeties—I’d read that the right-side safety bugs some shooters but it seems OK to me. The safety isn’t as positive off and on as a good 1911 but it was better than what I was expected. Early Hi Powers has internal extractors, but mine has an external one.
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There’s no removable bushing at the muzzle end of the slide. The small hole at the end of the slide below the barrel is supposedly intended to allow water to drain out of the pistol after submersion. I’m unlikely to test this feature out!
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The trigger is smooth and fairly narrow. Somewhere during the pistol’s life the dreaded magazine safety was removed—the trigger is quite nice and crisp now. The previous owner measured it at 5.5 pounds—it feels nicer than I was expecting!
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One neat feature that I only recently learned about is that when disassembling the pistol, the safety engages a notch in the slide to hold it open while the slide stop is popped out—it makes disassembly and re-assembly a dream.
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The barrel has two locking lugs, similar to a CZ75. Using this instead of the more modern method of using the chamber area to lock into the slide helps give the slide a nice, slim profile.
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Another unexpected feature is that the barrel does not use the slide stop pin to unlock, but instead uses this cross-piece in the frame instead.
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I'm really pleased with the feel of the pistol—it feels wonderful in the hand, and despite being all-steel only weighs in at a well-balanced 32 ounces. The trigger pull on mine is a pleasure, too, and the sights should be OK for my intended use as a "range fun" pistol. I'm hoping to get out to the range over the Christmas break if the weather holds—I'll update once I've had a chance to take it out.
 
In many ways Browning and Saive improved upon the 1911. Many believe in Browning’s opinion, the Hi Power was more like what he wanted the 1911 to be but couldn’t be because of the government specs even though he was designing around his own 1911 patents which had been sold to Colt.

Nonetheless the HP had a few govt specs of its own, like the mag safety. Leave it to the French....

My MKII HP had what I believe was parkerizing. I like the sights. Big improvement over the MK1 and still not too big. The MK2 design eliminates most of the hammer bite from the ring hammer of the previous model.
 
Dragonfly

Welcome to the wonderful world of the Hi-Power! After having been around them for awhile (My brother bought one back in the mid '70s), I have to say no other semi-auto pistol fits my hand so well as the Hi-Power does! I did go sometime before getting another Hi-Power only because the T Series I previously had was so beautiful yet so frustrating to shoot. Teeny tiny sights, a thumb safety that need to be "coaxed" on and off with a plastic mallet, and a trigger that was literally of the scale in terms of how heavy it was all worked to dampen my enthusiasm for the gun.

Then low and behold the Mk.II was introduced (I think it was 1985), and according to the article I read in Combat Handguns it was greatly improved in many areas. It had actual sights I could see and they were right on target! There was also a new larger thumb safety and it was ambidextrous too! And the trigger; the trigger was light and crisp that I didn't even bother with taking out the mag safety for fear of upsetting the proverbial apple cart! I think Browning calls the finish a matte blue; in any event it's held up very well all these years.

Only thing I didn't like was the grips and I quickly replaced them with a full set of Pachmayrs. I also have a nice set of Hogue grips for those "dressy" occasions!

My Mk.II is my favorite 9mm. and goes with me every time I go to the range. I hope you enjoy yours as much as I have mine!

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I bought one brand-new after they were released. 86 or 87 like yours. They were calling them - and my box said: "NATO Hi Power".

Loved that gun but for the integral front sight. Ultimately traded it to a pal for a NIB, non-import CZ-75 so it's long gone but fondly remembered.

You take great pictures.

Todd.
 
I have a MKII and a MKIII and IMHO there isn’t another semiautomatic pistol that feels better and sits as well in my hand, it’s one of those guns that I always thought was made just for me.

Although my MKII is still box stock, I’d be curious to learn if what if any modifications you’re planning to yours.
 
Congrats dragonfly and thanks for the pics! That’s a good looking pistol.

I got a surplus Israeli police MKIII a while back for my first Hi Power ever. Safety was the tiny worthless type so I installed one similar to yours after a couple of false starts with garbage parts, and I removed the mag safety in an attempt to lighten the 7+ pound break, which took about a pound off. It fits my shooting hand well but it’s so narrow and small my support hand has trouble finding purchase. I think for its original intended one hand use there’s probably not a better feeling pistol.
One of these decades I’ll send it for refinish or maybe try it myself. Mine has a pretty beat up black epoxy paint finish. Mine is FN branded also.
 
I don't believe anyone has yet mentioned bhspringsolutions, so I thought I would stick my sad little two cents in. ;)

https://bhspringsolutions.com

@OP: Whatever you're doing, or going to do, with your gun, you have to think about springs. Judging from your first post, you are not a man who needs me to mention this. Nevertheless, here I go. Wolff Springs are good, and Browning OEM springs are OEM and cheap (last time I checked), but bhspringsolutions are an outfit worth knowing about.

All best, of course,

MC
BHS are good guys! And if you ever want to do a trigger job on your HP you WILL HAVE TO HAVE their special little hammer spring tool to change out the hammer spring. It is almost impossible to do it without this tool!
 
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This pistol will be familiar to many readers but, even though I’ve seen a handgun owner for almost 40 years (and classic 9mm pistols being one of my favourite types) I’ve never owned Hi Power until this one showed up in the mail today—an excellent pre-Christmas present! It was pouring rain with high winds here today and with the malls jammed with shoppers I thought it an ideal day to stay home familiarize myself with my new pistol.

When I first picked it up I was surprised at how slim and comfortable the grip is! Even though I’d read about how comfortable it is I was still surprised. I think it may be the best fitting pistol for my small hands I’ve ever owned. It’s quite close in feel to the small grip model I’ve got on my SIG P320, but the Hi Power feels s bit better at first grip.

I’m not sure of the pistol’s finish—I think it’s parkerized but it may be some other type of matte finish. The frame on mine is a little bit lighter giving a pleasing subtle two-tone look.
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The previous owner added skateboard tape to the front and backstraps— I expected to remove it right away but it feels pretty good to be honest. I wasn’t really crazy about the look of the grips but they feel pretty good too—the vestigial thumbrest fits me very well.
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It’s a Mark II model—the “PR” date code in the serial number indicates that it was made in 1987 (the 245 prefix denotes a 9mm model). For a pistol made then, when three dot sights were quite common, the sights are surprisingly small, with no three dots or any other highlighting. Here’s the rear sight—you can see the rib that runs the full length of the slide:
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And here’s the front sight—it’s machined rather the dovetailed in, so I won’t be replacing it! The sight picture against a lighter background is quite crisp, although they do tend to disappear against a dark background (at least around the house!)
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The pistol has ambidextrous safeties—I’d read that the right-side safety bugs some shooters but it seems OK to me. The safety isn’t as positive off and on as a good 1911 but it was better than what I was expected. Early Hi Powers has internal extractors, but mine has an external one.
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There’s no removable bushing at the muzzle end of the slide. The small hole at the end of the slide below the barrel is supposedly intended to allow water to drain out of the pistol after submersion. I’m unlikely to test this feature out!
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The trigger is smooth and fairly narrow. Somewhere during the pistol’s life the dreaded magazine safety was removed—the trigger is quite nice and crisp now. The previous owner measured it at 5.5 pounds—it feels nicer than I was expecting!
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One neat feature that I only recently learned about is that when disassembling the pistol, the safety engages a notch in the slide to hold it open while the slide stop is popped out—it makes disassembly and re-assembly a dream.
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The barrel has two locking lugs, similar to a CZ75. Using this instead of the more modern method of using the chamber area to lock into the slide helps give the slide a nice, slim profile.
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Another unexpected feature is that the barrel does not use the slide stop pin to unlock, but instead uses this cross-piece in the frame instead.
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I'm really pleased with the feel of the pistol—it feels wonderful in the hand, and despite being all-steel only weighs in at a well-balanced 32 ounces. The trigger pull on mine is a pleasure, too, and the sights should be OK for my intended use as a "range fun" pistol. I'm hoping to get out to the range over the Christmas break if the weather holds—I'll update once I've had a chance to take it out.

Nice write up. Solid info and observations. If you find down the road you want more modern sights look at people like Novak. You can send them just the slide and they can fit their sights into new milled dovetails. They are very good at this and often can get the work done in a matter of weeks. Also shipping is cheap because you are sending a slide not a firearm.

Your gun is parkerized. If want to improve the safeties feel you can install a heavier spring on the detent. It will not make it as positive as 1911 but it will make it better. Nice gun enjoy it.
 
who supplied the base pads?

Those are most likely factory base pads that came on Practicals or they are the sick on type which were made by Pachmayr. They were discontinued long ago. You can still find old new stock of both here and there.

In many ways Browning and Saive improved upon the 1911. Many believe in Browning’s opinion, the Hi Power was more like what he wanted the 1911 to be but couldn’t be because of the government specs even though he was designing around his own 1911 patents which had been sold to Colt.

Nonetheless the HP had a few govt specs of its own, like the mag safety. Leave it to the French....

My MKII HP had what I believe was parkerizing. I like the sights. Big improvement over the MK1 and still not too big. The MK2 design eliminates most of the hammer bite from the ring hammer of the previous model.

I really wish this myth would die. On almost every thread on every forum about the BHP someome makes this statement. Articles and videos are still being produced and published propagating this myth. Not to be too harsh but I really wish people would stop saying this. It is simply not true. It is revisionist history by people enamored with the legend and legacy of JMB and the 1911.

JMB was a contract designer for Colt, Winchester and FN. He did not build guns he "liked" or guns the way he "wanted" them. He built guns which met the requirements of the contract that he was building prototypes for. If the contract asked for a grip safety then JMB would put one on the pistol even if he thought it was unnecessary. This is what happened to the 1911. The original prototypes did not have a grip safety. The Army requested one. JMB delivered one. If they had asked for checkered pink bakalite grips JMB would have put those on the gun. He was not designing to meet his fancy or build the perfect gun in his mind. He was building a gun to meet a contract spec and win that contract for his benefactors. He was not an employee of FN or Colt. He was a contractor for both companies who had an agreement with each other and JMB.

The BHP is a great pistol. The French Versailles Trial Commission wanted a new sidearm for their Military. The major requirements were a powerful caliber. It had to have a capacity of 10 rounds or more. It had to have a mag disconnect. IIRC it also had weight and dimensional requirements.

The original prototypes were designed around a double stack magazine which was designed by Saive. JMB thought that a double stack mag was unnecessary. FN and Saive provided JMB with a prototype of the magazine which he used to design two pistols for the French Pistol Trials. One was a simple blow back design in 380 auto the other was a locked breech gun in 9mm. The French choose the locked breech design which became JMBs last patent. It was a striker fired gun which was later changed at the request of the French to a hammer fired pistol. It is not the gun we shoot today. It is not what we refer to as the Browning Hi Power or Browning High Power. JMBs last design was the Grande Puissance.

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Those who believe that "the Hi Power was more like what he wanted the 1911 to be but couldn’t be because of the government specs even though he was designing around his own 1911 patents which had been sold to Colt. " would be wrong. the design refinements made by JMB before his death and after his death by Saive were at the request of the French up until they abandoned the design. Saive continued to work on it and after the patents on the 1911 expired he incorporated some of the design elements of the 1911 into the BHP we shoot today. JMB had nothing to do with this since he had been dead from sometime. IIRC he died in 1926. The gun which Saive completed was adopted by the Belgians in 1935 and was named the P35, Browning High Power Automatic pistol. FN named it after Browning out of respect for the man they referred to as “le Maitre” The Master and because there was huge marketing power behind the name Browning and it would help the pistols sell.

The myth of the improved 1911 has been repeated so many times that people believe it to be true but it isn't. The top Browning High Power historians do not directly refute this claim but their research does not support it. The timeline is wrong. There are is no direct documentation that I am aware of that supports it. Another myth that is often quoted regarding the BHPs development is that Dieudonné Joseph Saive was JMBs assistant. He was not. he was the head designer at FN. He design the FAL and other great designs. He was a great designer in his own right.

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Hogue rubber grips.

Try 'em. The most comfortable best shooting grips for the High Power.

I've used them for 18 years on my HP.
 
My beater MK3 Israeli FN Hi Power is my favorite. Don't need to worry about the finish on this one.
Being left handed, I love the ambi-safety. The dovetailed sights are a plus as well. However, I don't foresee changing the sights.
I removed the mag safety and added a Wolff trigger spring that improved the reset of the trigger.

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