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Having a good night and then BAM!

I was watching the Dark Knight (you know batman). As unreal as it is, Batman tries to literally reconstruct bullet fragments that hit a wall, to find finger prints of who loaded the "magazine" with rounds . Well you guessed it. They actually used the term "clip". :banghead:

I can't stand any movie that does that. I had to turn it off right after that. Sure it may be a 4 checker, but I highly doubt it is with any avid firearm lover. Whatever.

It is highly evident, Bale is a liberal and non firearm owner. :uhoh:

Rant over. And yes, I had 5 beers. :evil:

Take care and cheers.
 
ugh i wish people would get over the loos lips of movie terms big deal he said clip as if thousands of other movies hadnt done the same before this one

oh and most WW2 vets still call magazines clips
along with a buttload of retired police officers

i hate it when people act elitist over simple everyday stuff like this
 
Understood, I myself have probably screwed up the correct term in one time or another or more. But this is a movie where they PAY (and lots of it) writers to get the dialog (hell it could be dialogue) correct. Capiche?

Wish I had a job where... Ah, nevermind. :neener:

Edit: I am by far not an elitist. I prefer to call myself "a person who should get paid to watch movies and comment on inaccuracies". Surely that pays more than I make now.

Another Edit: The only elitest is Bale. Listen here. http://www.thehotjoints.com/2009/02/03/audio-actor-christian-bale-goes-ballistic-on-crew-member-for-messing-up-a-scene/
 
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Sometimes people miss things. I've read plenty of books that make you wonder if an editor went through it. It happens. Get over it.

Now if you want to talk about real inaccuracies....I just finished watching The Spirit and the bad dude had two quad-barrel shotguns, one in each hand and fired them like they were nothing....and then he had two it looked like M4s in each hand firing no problem...the revolver that the head cop dude didn't look like the cylinder rotated at all...and don't even get me started on the cops having a fleet of AH64's.... :rolleyes:
 
It is highly evident, Bale is a liberal and non firearm owner.
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You got that from watching a Batman movie? He may be a liberal, but I just don't see how you got that from watching the movie... :scrutiny:


Why, because someone wrote a incorrect term in the script for Bale and dreamed up a bit of fiction about the bullet in the wall?

I must be missing something.


I can't stand any movie that does that. I had to turn it off right after that. Sure it may be a 4 checker, but I highly doubt it is with any avid firearm lover. Whatever.
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I'm guessing you're not a fan of 99% of any movie or series with firearms in them then...



I think the key thing to remember is, THIS STUFF IS FICTION. I can enjoy it even though it isn't completely accurate (or even close to accurate) because IT'S NOT REAL.
 
Boba Fett,

If Bale were any self respecting gun user or had any knowledge on firearms, he would have corrected the script himself. I.e., writers were incorrect. In any case,

I see I may have opened Pandoras box. :what: It was not my intention to start a political war nor offend. I was merely pointing out, movies/writers need to get their act together. I should not have used the word liberal, although it definately fits the bill.
 
If Bale were any self respecting gun user or had any knowledge on firearms, he would have corrected the script himself. I.e., writers were incorrect. In any case,

I see I may have opened Pandoras box. It was not my intention to start a political war nor offend. I was merely pointing out, movies/writers need to get their act together. I should not have used the word liberal, although it definately fits the bill.
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I'm not defending Bale's political views. I truly haven't got a clue what they are. I simply don't understand how you derrive his political view from Batman anymore than you could from watching another of his movies, say Equilibrium for instance.


1) Not all conservatives have extended firearms knowledge nor do all liberals hate firearms (even though I know it is true, the latter is always difficult for me to believe...)

2) Have you heard of Bruce Willis? He's kind of this conservative actor guy who played in a series of impossible to live through fictional movies called Die Hard. Now, he's a conservative, but I didn't see him telling the producers/script writers, "Hey, I don't think any one guy could live through all this stuff, and no one could live being shot at by a full auto 50 cal with no cover...I think you should make it more realistic..." No, instead, the producers say, "Here's a boat load of money for you to play in this fictional movie."

3) Writers and authors will probably always get stuff wrong. It can ruin a movie, but when we're talking about a movie with a vehicle larger than most city streets is being jumped from the rooftops in Batman...I don't really worry about the little grammatical errors or fictional license in the movie at that point. Now, if we were talking about something like Saving Private Ryan, which does seem to attempt to keep things straight, then yeah, if they were getting a bunch of things wrong, that would be a problem.

4) Watch the "extra / bonus material" stuff from the movie The Great Escape. One of the actors was actually a prisoner of war in Germany during WWII and attempted to give the director some tips. The director didn't really want any. So for all we know, Bale did attempt to correct them. But making a few million is probably more important to him than getting on the bad side of the director, and were I in the same position, I'd take the millions too.
 
I really think the Magazine vs. Clip argument is BS in general.

In the minds of alot of folks a detachable magazine is a clip. Yes I know that on Gun Boards people get their shorts in a ruffle but several manufacturers have in fact marked packaging for mags as clips. I remember a post that showed photos of the boxes --I think it was Remington IIRC.

FWIW I wouldn't let a slip that I've heard distinguished vets, gun store owners, cops and even a couple gun Co. reps use as a reason to ruin a movie for me.

For Pete's sake it's friggin Batman anyways--there is a whole lot of stuff about the movie that is not really possible --but hey it's a movie enjoy it.

The next time I hear someone whine about how only an idiot calls a mag a clip I'll thank them for their supreme knowledge of firearms. None of us knows everything and we are all wrong from time to time.
 
FWIW I wouldn't let a slip that I've heard distinguished vets, gun store owners, cops and even a couple gun Co. reps use as a reason to ruin a movie for me.

For Pete's sake it's friggin Batman anyways--there is a whole lot of stuff about the movie that is not really possible --but hey it's a movie enjoy it.

The next time I hear someone whine about how only an idiot calls a mag a clip I'll thank them for their supreme knowledge of firearms. None of us knows everything and we are all wrong from time to time.
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AMEN!


FWIW, check out the NRA Firearm Glossary:
CLIP
A device for holding a group of cartridges. Semantic wars have been fought over the word, with some insisting it is not a synonym for "detachable magazine." For 80 years, however, it has been so used by manufacturers and the military. There is no argument that it can also mean a separate device for holding and transferring a group of cartridges to a fixed or detachable magazine or as a device inserted with cartridges into the mechanism of a firearm becoming, in effect, part of that mechanism.
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MAGAZINE
A spring-loaded container for cartridges that may be an integral part of the gun`s mechanism or may be detachable. Detachable magazines for the same gun may be offered by the gun`s manufacturer or other manufacturers with various capacities. A gun with a five-shot detachable magazine, for instance, may be fitted with a magazine holding 10, 20, or 50 or more rounds. Box magazines are most commonly located under the receiver with the cartridges stacked vertically. Tube or tubular magazines run through the stock or under the barrel with the cartridges lying horizontally. Drum magazines hold their cartridges in a circular mode. A magazine can also mean a secure storage place for ammunition or explosives.
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Probably won't end any debates, but it is nice to know what the NRA calls these things.
 
Boba Fett (and others),

I need to hit the sack its 12:40 AM here. :) My wife is gonna hang me!! All great points however, I would love to comment on them in the near future.

I will leave with this, most times I use a clip, the clip makes a sound like BPlinggggg and pops out my receiver when out of ammo. Never had a magazine that did that. ;) Sometimes I even treat my stripper clips well too, both kinds. In and out. :evil: No way I just said that!!

Take care and all the best,
 
I can't stand any movie that does that. I had to turn it off right after that. Sure it may be a 4 checker, but I highly doubt it is with any avid firearm lover. Whatever.
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It drives me crazy too! Like the time in Star Wars when Han Solo fires 27 shots on Endor from his Blastech Industries DL-44, even though everyone knows that the armor-piercing settings of the weapon (the only ones that could defeat stormtrooper armor) only allow for 25 shots before recharging. Fricking unreal!! :cuss:
 
it drives me crazy too! Like the time in star wars when han solo fires 27 shots on endor from his blastech industries dl-44, even though everyone knows that the armor-piercing settings of the weapon (the only ones that could defeat stormtrooper armor) only allow for 25 shots before recharging. Fricking unreal!!
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rofl!!! :d
 
Bales mouth made a pretty good weapon going off on the cast and crew while filming the latest Terminator flick. He did have his trigger finger indexed while clearing an underground bunker. So not all bad.
 
Five beers sounds about right to incite suspect behavior in an adult male. Question is why am I even responding to this thread?
 
"And there's the thumb print from when he pushed the round in the clip"

at least he says 'round' and not bullet

edit: oh and they did wear ear protection too
 
I can't believe this thread is still open. The mods must still be sleeping.
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Well, it's taken on aspects of a "magazine vs. clip" thread which, regardless of what many of us think of them, are generally allowed to die a natural death.

What amuses me is when an author has made an obvious effort to get someone to explain some arcane bit of firearms minutiae, throw it in presumably to impress us gunnies, then blow it utterly when his consultant leaves for a pint or two at the local pub.

My favorite thus far is a Lee Child Jack Reacher novel that featured a H&K P7M10. Accurately described and, let's face facts, anything about a P7M10 is minutiae - there just aren't an overwhelming number of them.

Then the consultant leaves for the pub - you could tell as Child then makes a plot device out of placing the thing on a table top and flicking the safety on and off. Painstakingly described to an extent that the safety could not possibly be confused with the squeeze cocker. Still, not bad for a Brit Expat.
 
cupple of mill for a movie--- get to smooch some true babes---i would call it a dohicky if thats what they wanted.:D:p:D:p

documentaries are facts movies are entertainment.:)
 
What annoys me is the sound of a hammer cocking back when someone is "getting ready for action" - and the weapon happens to be a glock.

Of course, it doesn't ruin it for me - it's called the "suspension of disbelief"; and hollywood has been getting it wrong for so long I'm just used to it.
 
It still amazes me that people expect reality in a totally fictional production. As long as the fiction holds together and is internally realistic then I have no problem suspending disbelief. If they are aiming at realism about current guns that I have or have fired, then it can be mildly annoying, but no more than that. That said, I have to go clean my DL-44 now. The framinator lifter in the antimatter combustion chamber stuck a little bit the last time I went plinking. Psyopspec, your post was TOO funny!!! :)
 
I liked The Dark Knight. I mean, a lot of it was a little convoluted and did not not seem to make sense in general (a car chase where there are no pedestrians or other drivers? Really?) All in all, the little details shouldn't ruin a movie like that. Just let it go, or write your own damn movie.

But man, that movie was so cool! It was funny when the fake Batman guys jumped scarecrow and the real Batman came out of nowhere and bent the barrel of that AK-47 assault rifle down. Oh, and Joker's really cool bazooka and those machine guns he had. Too bad he only had one clip for that nazi machine gun and his uzi ran out of clips. Then Gordon said that bad-ass one-liner with the shottie in the back of Joker's neck. Then those SpecOps snipers...lol

I hope all of the errors in the previous paragraph I just typed ruins your day :neener:
 
You can't sweat the small stuff, or no movie will survive scrutiny.

I was watching A Few Good Men, and Tom Cruise announces to the court that his star witness has just put a .45 bullet in his head, when he clearly shot himself with an M-9. But it's a great movie!

Or when Tommy Lee Jones switches out Glock magazines with Robert Downey Jr. in US Marshalls and somehow that disables the latter's weapon :confused:
As was said above, it's totally about entertainment, even at the expense of accuracy.

Oh and Terminator 4 sucked.
 
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