The Highs and Lows of Air Gunning

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On one side of the globe, a man lines up on a rat at 25 yards. It was a quiet Saturday afternoon and this particular rat had made the mistake of climbing out from behind a rubbish pile to grab a tossed aside banana. Seven pumps and one Crosman pellet later, the rat in question took a head shot and never made it to the banana.

On the other side of the globe, the owner of a large farm saw a rat in the shed he used to store hay for his live stock. The rat had emerged from a dark corner of the shed at the wrong time. It was the day the farm owner had chosen to test out his new air rifle rig on something other than paper targets. The range was approximately thirty yards and the rifle was already set up on a rest just outside the shed door. The rat took three quick steps before the high speed pellet caught him just below the right eye. The unsuspecting rodent dropped in his tracks.

Since the objective in both cases was met, what's the difference?

The first rat was shot with a lowcost multi-pump .177 air rifle and the second was nailed with a rig that cost the owner over $1,000 USD.

Not all of us are in the same financial bracket. In today's economy, many of us have to take what we can get and make it work for us. We can all be extremely dedicated to the sport. There are those who are highly dedicated and have the financial wherewithal to reach out for what may be considered top of the line. Others whom are equally as dedicated may have to seriously consider the purpose for their purchase and from there decide what will work for them. I personally fall into the latter category.

There are those whom are jealous of others who can afford top of the line products. Then, there are others who are happy for those who can afford such things. There are also those who have proven themselves and receive sponsorship which usually includes a firearm of their choice and all necessary accessories, ammunition and whatever else that ends up in the sponsorship agreement. Where do you fall in?

Are we taking an elitist position when we categorically denounce an air rifle or category of air rifles simply because of where they fall in the cost bracket? Use this example; two individuals have the same problem. They need to eradicate a building rat population wherein the majority of the shots taken will be under 30 yards. Since both have the same need to neutralize a given problem, what causes one individual to solve said problem with an air rifle that costs over $1,000 USD while the other successfully resolves the same problem with a .177 multi-pump pellet rifle that may have cost the owner less than $100 when you consider both .177 air rifles were purchased for the same purpose? What about some of those in the springer or break barrel class under $200 USD that have the power and accuracy to consistently print four shot groups under 1/2" at 40 yards? I personally own such a rifle and have beat others in four position matches where their rifles cost somebody well over $800 USD.

Is there a tradeoff between proper training and high dollar equipment? Does proper training further enhance the benefits that may be found in the higher cost options or is it that proper training showcases the real potential of certain lowcost options?

As an example, at age 11, I desperately wanted to begin high power rifle competition. What I had available to me was an old WWII Springfield 03.A3 30.06 bolt action rifle. It was scratched up and the stock was well-worn but the bore was clear and clean. Very little wear. My father gave me an old but well worn in sling for it. The ammunition I had was standard FMJ hardball rounds. Standard US military grade.

I learned everything possible about this old rifle. Thanks to a former USMC Gunny, I could both field and detail strip it. I had to learn the names of each part and what it did. Then, re-assemble. I had to be able to demonstrate proper and safe weapons handling with it and if you have ever worked under the tough scrutiny of a hardcore USMC Gunny, you know the drill. After a month or so of Sundays on the 200 yard line, I was deemed ready. Positions were tight, sling technique was tight and I learned how to develop and maintain a shooter's journal. The sum total was I was beating those with Springfield Armory Super National Match rifles and others. Many of them were close to being new and in the four figure bracket.

So, given the fact we all had the same objective, proper training and technique made me just as competitive as the guy next to me with a highly built up M1A. If everyone on the line in those days had the same level of training, things may have been different. Does one in some cases compensate for the other or is it true that in the end, we overlook and bypass that which we can use simply because of its pricetag?
 
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I think you answer your own questions. Yes a $1000 PCP will be easier to shoot accurately and expensive German made springers are nice guns, and yes you can get good results with $100 or $200 air guns. And people tend to advocate a particular type of airgun or powder burner for that matter.

Sift through the opinions and biases and you will find some pretty good information.

I'm on the low cost airgunner budget. My Crosman Optimus is a $100 springer that allows me to practice offhand at home, which helps improve my offhand 30 06 shooting for hunting. If I could afford a nice $1000 PCP and just fill up the gun with a scuba tank, I would buy the gear because I have read from others how accurate and convenient PCP's are to shoot, but for now the Optimus will suffice.

It's all good in the end.
 
I actually posed these questions to others. I have have heard some great things about PCPs. I probably need to do a bit more research before I make a move at that level.
 
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My initial reason for the initial post was that when I became more interested in air guns, I began to see some broad-based complaints and criticisms concerning certain models that I had used personally. Most of the complaints and criticisms did not come from direct experience with a given gun. Rather, it was a general criticism of a type or cost bracket. Some people base their opinions entirely upon what they read or hear on YouTube, Facebook or whatever.

In the three different cases concerning lower cost air rifles, I am glad I flatly ignored all that and tried these products for myself.
 
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I bet you experienced those same types of criticisms with actual firearm discussions as well.

Gun "snobbery" isn't relegated only to powder-burners..
 
Baltimore, you should try and track down a copy of Jame House's American Rifles. I think you'd like it. It deals with inexpensive american made multi pump air rifles. Best of all- it was written back in the day everyone shot into soap bars to measure pellet penetration. LOL! I love those days.

I've been more than impressed with a Crosman 2100 and Daisy 856 I used to have. Both were extremely accurate out to the distances I shot them. I took many squirrels with them at the time, usually no more than 20 yards away.

At the other end, I had a beautiful HW 35 (think that was it) that was a joy to shoot. Did it shoot any better than the cheap ones? Don't know, only shot it open sights- a blast to hit spent hulls with it at 25 yards. There was however several steps up in quality. To some it matters, to others it doesn't.
 
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Its very tough to get though a whole post like that. it could have been condensed,
But I think I got the message by reading about 60 %.

Ill try to make it short and sweet. if you cant afford a High end air rifle or pistol, don't try one or use one.....
I started out many years ago with an inexpensive air gun. it was fun, met my needs, and didn't break the bank

Once you get shoulder to shoulder with someone with a real air gun, and have the opportunity to use it, you wont want to shoot your air gun again.

Innocence's is bliss... shooting a rat at 30 yards with an inexpensive air gun and getting a kill is for the most part, luck.. shot placement with an inexpensive air gun is + or - 1 inch. at 30 yards. a total of 2 inches in total variation.

shot placement with an expensive regulated air rifle with weighed pellets, measures skirts, etc. is + or - .125 in. total variation .250 in.
We have people at our club that can cut a playing card in half at twenty meters. a playing card is about .020 in. thick and the pellet .177 can slice that .020 in. down the side and cut the card into two pieces.

I once owned a 500 dollar stereo. and had no issues with it... that is, until I heard a 7,000 dollar stereo.

the idea to all of this is being " Happy " shooting rats at 30 yards can be hit or miss with an inexpensive air gun... but its fun when yo don't know the outcome.
if killing rats with one shot is important, and its priority supersedes the cost,
you wont be selecting an inexpensive air gun.

High end air guns is a sickness... unfortunately I am afflicted.

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Its very tough to get though a whole post like that. it could have been condensed,
But I think I got the message by reading about 60 %.

Ill try to make it short and sweet. if you cant afford a High end air rifle or pistol, don't try one or use one.....
I started out many years ago with an inexpensive air gun. it was fun, met my needs, and didn't break the bank

Once you get shoulder to shoulder with someone with a real air gun, and have the opportunity to use it, you wont want to shoot your air gun again.

Innocence's is bliss... shooting a rat at 30 yards with an inexpensive air gun and getting a kill is for the most part, luck.. shot placement with an inexpensive air gun is + or - 1 inch. at 30 yards. a total of 2 inches in total variation.

shot placement with an expensive regulated air rifle with weighed pellets, measures skirts, etc. is + or - .125 in. total variation .250 in.
We have people at our club that can cut a playing card in half at twenty meters. a playing card is about .020 in. thick and the pellet .177 can slice that .020 in. down the side and cut the card into two pieces.

I once owned a 500 dollar stereo. and had no issues with it... that is, until I heard a 7,000 dollar stereo.

the idea to all of this is being " Happy " shooting rats at 30 yards can be hit or miss with an inexpensive air gun... but its fun when yo don't know the outcome.
if killing rats with one shot is important, and its priority supersedes the cost,
you wont be selecting an inexpensive air gun.

High end air guns is a sickness... unfortunately I am afflicted.

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Good Afternoon,
I once got by with a bargain basement electric bass only until I picked up a brand new Fender Jazz Bass at Guitar Center. The old one worked, of course, but couldn't touch the Fender. Was I being a brand snob? Maybe, but I was also at the point where I could appreciate the quality difference.

Blasting rodents was not the only claim to fame with the Crosman 760 or any other lowcost air rifle. I had been trained in four position shooting beginning at around age 9 by a former USMC Gunny and so I transferred that training over to the Crosman and got excellent results. There was no luck involved. I practiced daily in my basement with a proper backstop and NRA Smallbore Rifle Targets. 25'. Used standard Crosman .177 dome pellets. All four positions using ten shots per position with two sighters per position. I knew exactly what that rifle would do with three, five and when necessary eight pumps were used. Wasting rats was a necessity and not a personal lifelong goal. However, what I learned about the rifle simply made it easier. What the rats taught me was the rifle's ability to join accuracy with the power required to get the body and headshots. One shot head shots were not luck. They were a result of practice with that rifle using the skillset drilled into me at a very early age. The same skillset that made me a competitive high power rifle shooter at age 11-12 using an old Springfield bolt action 03A3 30.06.

Sure, it might be nice to own and use an extreme highend rifle. I've used a CheyTac M200 chambered for .375 CheyTac which has an effective range of around 2,500 yards. Sub MOA. That was quite an experience, to be sure. I had use of the rifle for almost six months. Then, it was back to my built Remington SPS 700 in 7.62x51mm and my Winchester M70 Sharpshooter in the same caliber. Did I feel undergunned or ballistically disenfranchised? Not in the least.

In the end, I simply take what is available and use my skillset to get the absolute most out of it according to my immediate needs.
 
AS long as you are happy with the performance of your pump air gun, that's all that counts... but you can not compare the accuracy to a high end gun.

a pump air gun is inconsistent with a spot placement factor of + - 1 inch. at 30 yards. the air gun simply does not perform the same on each shot, pellets start to cavitate around 900 fps.. so competition air guns are regulated for consistent shot placement.,. IM 70 years old, a combat veteran, and I shoot every week, just to keep my edge. Only a fool thinks they are a good shot using a fire arm or a weapon with inconstant velocity.

I take people to my range as a guest all the time and they all brag ( on their way to the range ) about being a good shot, they bring their rat gun to our range and they cant even get on paper.. every guy I know is ( in their mind ) a great shot.. a good hunter, and a great driver..... when you put them to task... most fail miserably...

When knowledgeable people choose an accurate air gun, they don't choose a pump gun.

IM not being a snob, if I could buy a100/ 200 dollar air gun that could perform as well as my PCP's.. I would buy it.. as an Old guy it would be my pleasure to rub it in the face of those with 3,000 dollar air guns.. but that would never happen...

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When the day comes that it becomes necessary for me to use or own an air rifle capable of placing five shots in one hole, I will be right there with the cash to purchase it.

I as well share your experience base which is how I came to learn about the CheyTac and also the use and subsequent ownership of both the Remington and Winchester rifles mentioned.

My approach may be different than yours and perhaps individual expectations. If my challenge was to split playing cards than obviously I would chose a firearm/optic set capable of doing so.

I would readily agree a $3,000 air rifle will surpass a pump. It better. What we want and what we can afford are two different things sometimes. So, when a challenge or problem presents itself, we get the best we can at the time and make it work for us. I own more than the Crosman 760 .177 Pumpmaster which is why I want to develop and get involved in events/competitions here in West Central Florida.

In conclusion, when I go to a range with anyone, I say nothing about what the given rifle/handgun/shotgun will do nor will I allude to what I can do with it. I just do it.
 
When you want to put 10 shots in one hole, get a good target grade air rifle.

Mine is a Beeman 400 recoilless match rifle.

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Lots of fun to shoot a precision target air rifle with a 5.5 oz trigger. I cranked it up a bit so I could not have so many early releases. It came with a 2 oz trigger.
 
The Beeman is actually an air rifle I would have a tremendous amount of interest in and when the day comes that this level of accuracy is necessary, I'll be there with my checkbook out.
 
Anyone here talking about a scuba tank in the same sentence as a high end end PCP is at best A novice when it comes to air guns... scuba tanks are rated at 3500 psi.. and a PCP requires 3000 psi plus the burp. you can get a few fills out of a scuba tank but again that's very entry level stuff.

Real air gunners use a Carbon fiber tank that is Kevlar wrapped and can take 4500 psi, these tanks are 600 to 800 dollars and can fill any of my air gun 80 times to 200 Bar 3000 psi, so before we talk high end, you have to know something about it.

The best tank is not a scuba tank
In recent years, air gunners have taken the carbon fiber tanks from emergency breathing packs and adapted them to charge air guns. Though physically smaller than the 80-cubic-foot scuba tank, they hold a whopping 150 cubic feet of air and are pressurized to 4,500 psi. They contain up to 45 times as many refills as a standard PCP rifle, yet they weigh only half as much as the aluminum tank when filled. The down side is a cost of $600, plus it may be difficult to find a station to fill one. Most dive shops can’t fill above 3,500. However, fire stations usually have a compressor that can fill these tanks, so there you go.

My PCP air tank it costs ten dollars to fill a scuba tank or my carbon fiber tank.. my tank is smaller and lighter, and can hold 45 Times the fils of a scuba tank ( source: Pyramidair.com )

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Many people who enjoy air gunning run the gamut of 80 dollar guns up to 3000 dollar guns... those who own , use and have experience in high end guns usually are well experienced in low end gun. those of us who choose high end guns do it because they perform better.

The problem I see here in this thread is some of the advice is given by those who have never experienced a high end air gun. those who own a high end gun know both types and their strengths and weaknesses. personally if I was new to this , I would look for someone with experience in all facets of air gunning
I know fully well that priorities both in air gunning and in financial priorities at home will effect the choice.. but when someone takes cost out of the equation, there is nothing more fun in air gunning than a high end air gun.

I've been poor and I've been rich... rich is better
I've been healthy and I am very sick.... healthy is better
I've had pump and springer air gun and I also have PCP air guns... PCP are better.

AS a 70 year old man.. I can tell you the secret of life is to be happy... and if you can be happy with pump gun or a springer.. that's great.. there is no snobbery here.
AS I've said.. don't play around with a high end gun because it will change the way you look at your pump gun.. at least not until you are able to afford one..

The difference in the fun factor is like flying a 50 dollar drone...If you ever try a 2500 drone with retractable gear and a 360 degree camera view and an auto return to base software, can fly up to 400 feet @ 35 mile per hour and has the ability to have secondary functions ( pick up and drop a pay load )... there is simply no comparison..
 
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