The "Judge"

[Pacsd]

I'm really contemplating picking up the 410/45 Judge. I shot one with 410's but not the 45 Long. Anyone reload for that cartridge? Any info would be apprfeciated. Lokking for brass, powder, primer, bullet weight & COAL.

 

[MrSpiffy]

You might have better luck posting in the "Handloading an Reloading" forum.

I can't provide any insight into reloading, as I haven't started doing any myself. But I can say I've shot .45LC through a Judge, and it was very easy to shoot. Lower recoil, more like a push than a snap. I thought .410 had worse recoil. This is one of those guns I'd like to have, but it's less practical and more for fun, at least for me. So it's lower on my gotta-have list, right now.

 

[daorhgih]

I'm just beginning.

It would seem to me that any cartridge you can stuff into the 3" cylinder, keeping in mind the max load of powder to bullet, would work just fine. I just bought my 3'x3' judge, and that is what I intend to do. Just because the .410 is a shotgun shell, does not mean you would need to pack your load using long-burn shot-gun powder. Stay within the max loads for .410 loads, and switch to pistol powders very cautiously. I'm putting wad over the powder, a copper .452 disc, 6 BB ØØØ, another disc, cover wad, and crimp onto that. The longest brass hull I have found is the 3" cases of British 9.3 x 74R. These need to be fire-formed to gain max capacity. .444 Marlin cases will give you 2.162. Be careful, and take all the advice you can get!!

 

[RhinoDefense]

There is no such thing as the 45 Long Colt. It's the 45 Colt.

Yes I load for it. I suggest a reloading manual to start. That will answer many questions you have. Learn before you start making ammo. You are engineering a small explosion two feet from your face. Not something to take casually. There is no recipe; it's a data set that requires working from a minimum.

 

[ljnowell]

There is no such thing as the 45 Long Colt. It's the 45 Colt

It is in fact designated that by many different sources, but thats not the point of his thread. Lets not go down that road.

 

[joneb]

will a 460 S&W mag. chamber in the 3" Judge If so, there's a hand grenade waiting to happen

 

[RhinoDefense]

Ljnowell, there is no SAAMI cartridge named the 45 Long Colt.

 

[ljnowell]

Ljnowell, there is no SAAMI cartridge named the 45 Long Colt.

I think most of us are aware of that. So what? Its a common term that even manufacturers have begun using. Its nothing to bicker about. Why bring it up? Was it useful and contributing to the thread?

 

[RhinoDefense]

To discuss a cartridge that exists or doesn't exist, yes. Calling a cartridge something else that it isn't, while knowing the proper name, is ignorant. If you desire accurate information, there needs to be common ground. For common ground there is standardization. As per the topic, that is the 45 Colt which is a SAAMI cartridge. I'm simply informing the uninformed. Widespread disregard for proper formalities is no excuse.

 

[ljnowell]

To discuss a cartridge that exists or doesn't exist, yes. Calling a cartridge something else that it isn't, while knowing the proper name, is ignorant. If you desire accurate information, there needs to be common ground. For common ground there is standardization. As per the topic, that is the 45 Colt which is a SAAMI cartridge. I'm simply informing the uninformed. Widespread disregard for proper formalities is no excuse.

It has nothing to do with widespread ignorance, though this is not the first time I have seen you use the term ignorant or moronic to describe people who disagree with you on this board.

Its a non issue, until someone like yourself wants to make it one. Get another thread locked, go ahead, I hope you enjoy doing it.

 

[RhinoDefense]

You think "ignorant" is condescending. Perhaps educating yourself would provide some enlightenment to the English language.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ignorant

–adjective
1.
lacking in knowledge or training; unlearned: an ignorant man.
2.
lacking knowledge or information as to a particular subject or fact: ignorant of quantum physics.
3.
uninformed; unaware.
4.
due to or showing lack of knowledge or training: an ignorant statement.

Quite simply it means the lack of knowledge or training; in this case a particular field. I educated yet was attacked for educating those that don't know. If you are going to talk about something, know what you are talking about. Since you don't seem to grasp the definition of "ignorant", it seems like education is in order. This forum is about sharing and exchange of information, is it not?

 

[ljnowell]

I am well aware of its meaning. Posting the way you are right now does nothing for your credibility. This forum is not about that type of thing. Why are you doing this? Does it make you feel special? I certainly hope so because with every post you make you lower my opinion of you, and from the looks of my inbox several others.

Why dont you drop it now, before it gets any worse? This is doing nothing to help this thread except showing your ass.

Every time someone says "long colt" it brings people out of the woodwork to complain about it. Get over it, people use different terms than you do, and they aren't correct industry standard terms. You dont need to run to your keyboard paint up with the internet camo and get into war mode.

 

[ljnowell]

Also, OP, you are going to want to stick to standard pressure loads for that judge. I think that if you were thinking of going classic with it Unique would be a decent powder for it. I have talked to many people that complain of leading using non plated or jacketed bullets in the Judge. My experience loadint 45 colt (or long colt, if you like) has been in a Ruger Blackhawk, so most of my pet loads are going to be well out of the pressure range you would want to shoot in the judge.

 

[joneb]

oops

 

[joneb]

http://funarg.nfshost.com/r2/notes/longcolt.html

I still refer to Accurate powders as AA # something

 

[RhinoDefense]

Oh, my, some people on the Internet don't like me. What am I ever going to do? You really think I care what people think of me? That's cute.

 

[jerkface11]

Colt once listed it in their catalog as .45 long colt.

 

[Steve Koski]

How many rounds of 45 long colt will fit in the judge clips?

 

[PapaG]

The speed loader for CA44 will hold five rounds of 45 Colt. 410s don't fit in them. Ain't no clips, so far, except for the S&W Governor....(a neat name here in IL.....the judge put a couple of governors in prison, if I remember and another is about to go)

 

[mgkdrgn]

45 Long Colt has got to be one of the easiest to reload cases out there. Big, straight side, holds all the power you will EVER want.

The only thing you -really- need to look out for that I have found (been doing 45 Colt about 2 years now) is that it -is- big enough for you to double charge it! The good thing is that it's easy to tell if you just look in the case. (which, with that big .45 hole in it, is easy!)

And yes, I reload for my Judge, my Taurus 450, and my Rossi M92, all shooting 45 Colt.

 

[rcmodel]

I'm really contemplating picking up the 410/45 Judge.

Be sure and look at the new S&W .45/.410 Governor too.

It can also use .45 ACP ammo in moon-clips, which beat speed-loaders every which way.

http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/...4_750001_750051_768152_-1_757992_757992_image

rc

 

[Pacsd]

RC, thanks for that S & W G'nor info. I'm gonna call around town to see if anyone has them. I'm in no awful rush. I've only been lookin at the Judge for 2 years now.....LOL

 

[Uniquedot]

You think "ignorant" is condescending. Perhaps educating yourself would provide some enlightenment to the English language.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ignorant
Quote:
–adjective
1.
lacking in knowledge or training; unlearned: an ignorant man.
2.
lacking knowledge or information as to a particular subject or fact: ignorant of quantum physics.
3.
uninformed; unaware.
4.
due to or showing lack of knowledge or training: an ignorant statement.
Quite simply it means the lack of knowledge or training; in this case a particular field. I educated yet was attacked for educating those that don't know. If you are going to talk about something, know what you are talking about. Since you don't seem to grasp the definition of "ignorant", it seems like education is in order. This forum is about sharing and exchange of information, is it not?

If there were two versions of the 45 colt government round... a long and a short, then who is ignorant those claiming that it didn't exist because they were not stamped or those that know for a fact that they existed, but realize they were not stamped? I have seen an old box of blackpowder 45 short colts before that were indeed stamped 45 short colt and here is proof that some were not marked short, but does this mean that 45 longs were never stamped 45 long? Perhaps some were for a short period or perhaps not, but there definitely were 45 long and short colt government rounds.

http://www.leverguns.com/articles/taylor/45_short_colt.htm

 

[Remo223]

The commonest designations are:

45ACP
45LC

Maybe 45colt is a little more correct than 45LC but nobody cares. that's just the way it is. deal with it.

 

[Uniquedot]

Well remo the automatic colt pistol round has absolutely nothing to do with the argument of the long and short of it. Folks use it nowadays in discussion, but when I'm shooting my 45 colts that is the only way i refer to them, but since there were in fact two 45 colt rounds for the revolvers (a long and a short) i certainly don't accuse any one of being ignorant if they refer to them as long colts.