The Land Where Private Ownership Is Illegal, Gun Crime Soaring In U.K.

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And the government's response to the crime increase is to ban all toy guns, and anything that appears to be a gun, as well as all sharp knives, clubs, bludgeons, chains, sticks, etc., etc. There is also talk of making it a crime to resist a robber, rapist, street thug, carjacker, home invader, etc., by any means, not just a gun.

All part of the same nonsense - don't blame the criminal, blame the weapon. Don't punish criminals, punish non-criminals. It is easier and the cowardly police don't get hurt trying to make arrests.

Jim
 
There is also talk of making it a crime to resist a robber, rapist, street thug, carjacker, home invader, etc., by any means...
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You cannot be serious?

If you have any citations I would be very interested. Though, honestly, from what I've seen, I wouldn't put it past the government there to pass such legislation.
 
The problem here lies with one specific group of people:The parents.At least 15 to 20 years ago,or more,the beginings of the serious-types of 'chavs' or free-loading/trailer-trash types started(In the UK).These kids are born into poverty,with mothers and have at least a couple of half siblings.They are brought up ammorally,without a sense of direction,a focus,a structured career,etc,etc and they revert to gangs as a surrogate parent-because their parent or parents have no time for them.

Now this problem is common in the USA too and the fact is that these kids are feral kids,who are uncivillized in their approach and would commit acts of violence,because they don't know any other way and because they believe in order to gain respect,they must kill,injure,etc,etc and they use replicas,to threaten people,because they think that it is cool.

Modern R&B and gangsta Rap have all made the problems worse over the years,by glorifying violence,particulary Tupac Shar and The B.I.G;who are some of those 'rappers'to blame for this.They are morons and the antis are out there because they hate guns and the people that use them-including us legal-owners.
 
There are two ways that a government can engage in tyranny against it's people.

The first is the one that we all know very well about. That way leads to gulags, massacres on public squares, and 3am knocks on the door.

The second way is a tyranny of neglect. Simply put, refuse to protect the people and at the same time refuse to allow the people to protect themselves.

We saw this exact thing done in the United States following the civil war to the black populations all throughout the south. The local police wouldn't protect the freed slaves, the state governments wouldn't protect them and, in the end, the Supreme Court even refused to protect them by failing to uphold the 14th amendment.

As a result, freed slaves in the south were helpless before the rampaging KKK.

Now, in England, we see similar neglect, but this time apparently inflicted upon the population in its entirety.

Britain will be awash in blood before they awaken from the nightmare that they're creating for themselves. But I don't think there's anything anyone outside of Britain can do about it. The British are just going to have to learn this lesson the hard way.

In the meantime, the rest of the world can only sit back and get a free lesson on the tyranny of neglect.
 
The article said that the gun crime is most prevalent amongst "children" under the age of 21. Well, if that's the case, why don't they just restrict handgun ownership to people who are 21 and older? What? Most handguns are already banned in the UK for EVERYONE?!? How can that be? Where are the "KIDS" getting them? (please note the intended sarcasm fellow posters).
 
This is twice the British have disarmed themselves. The first time, they had to panic because of one little dictator whose initials were A.H. The British begged the US citizens to send them guns and any other weapons which might serve useful in repelling the German takeover. When it was over, do you think they returned those guns. Most of them were never returned. Well, here they are again. Only this time, their nightmare is internal rather than an invading army.
 
The article said that the gun crime is most prevalent amongst "children" under the age of 21. Well, if that's the case, why don't they just restrict handgun ownership to people who are 21 and older? What? Most handguns are already banned in the UK for EVERYONE?!? How can that be? Where are the "KIDS" getting them? (please note the intended sarcasm fellow posters).
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I don't think that you have grasped the idea of our disarmament,properly.
Firstly:Those kids that you mentioned are feral and they fitted the stereo-typical description of such kids,that are brought up in social housing.Secondly:they use guns as a means of intimidation or to get what they want.Thirdly:They idolise gangsta types because they are made-men,the easy way.Yardies/Rude Boys/crews,all recruit these little scumbags from estates,into a life of crime.

The handgun ban was about stopping psychopaths from the suburbs,from killing people with them.Both Hungerford and Dunblane killers were middle-class or lower-middle class persons,who had more money and respectability than the scummy dross,that inhabit those housing tenemants,that I talked about.The psychos tend to buy them legally and are not previously criminals,to start with.

Drugs,fuel gun crime and so does gangsta rap,too.

There is a huge difference from the butcherers,of Hungerford and Dunblane,to the immature street punks,that think guns are cool.They wouldn't of thought so,if they ever encountered Micheal Ryan or Thomas Hamilton.Im sure a week at one of Hamilton's 'boys-clubs would have reduced them to tears and humiliation.Hamilton was known to fire slrs and pistols at the boys,during training excercises and for punishments.He did use an AR-15,to fire at boys,on a remote Scottish Island.

He was also bad for terrorising trouble-makers and beat them with metal bars.If they tried to hit him,he would cock the hammer on his Hi-Power or Magnum and they would back down,with him smirking.
 
Anyone pick up on this little nugget from the article?

Mr Hogan-Howe told the newspaper his force was already evicting families that harboured children who possessed guns, and moving them to other areas.

His officers are also instructed to stop and search suspects regularly.
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Wow.
 
The very bad law apply in England.
And the very bad result of this politic about legal guns for good citizen is a chance for all others Europen country shooter.

We used this exemple for survive and proof that a ban is a stupid no efficient answer to the problem of violence.

It's hard for all our English shooter friends an many of them are in French shooting club since the ban had been apply in Great Britain.

See you, Mick.
 
His officers are also instructed to stop and search suspects regularly. The chief constable, who attended a gun crime summit at Downing Street in February, said such initiatives were leading the way in stamping out the problem.
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Disturbing.

I believe the stamping will be done by those wearing Jack Boots.
 
....evicting families that harboured children that possessed guns, and moving them to other areas
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I picked up on that, also. Could one of our British members enlighten us???

The way it's written, it seems the police control where everyone lives, much as they would farm animals!:confused::confused::confused:
 
His officers are also instructed to stop and search suspects regularly. The chief constable, who attended a gun crime summit at Downing Street in February, said such initiatives were leading the way in stamping out the problem.
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He is a big prattish buffoon.Immigration,chavs are some of the causes of our gun crime.There are thick people on both sides of the law,that cause havoc.1:In 1987,no one could stop an AK47 toting psycho from killing everyone in sight,so they banned Slr(full-bores).20 years on and they still haven't learned anything.

At the end of the day,if you ban one thing,then people will use something else instead.E.g.ban slrs or pump-shotguns,then a psycho will use a bolt or a lever rifle,instead.Ban realistic replicas,then crooks will paint them black and still rob or threaten people.
As the owner of a couple of shotguns, I cannot see a fascination with replicas. However, I would say licencing is a far better solution than banning. I must hold a licence and any misdemeanor on my part will see the removal of my licence.
Simon, England
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An example of the elitist,the types that never supported the target-shooters,in 1987 and in 1996.What an idiot,because you'll be next matey.:neener::neener:

The problem is we are talking about intent. If someone intends to commit a crime using any manner of weapons, from a ballpoint pen to a submachine gun, unless they broadcast their intentions beforehand who or what can stop them? No matter how much legislation we introduce the problem will not go away. It will take a major shift in social attitudes.

The simple answer is ban all firearms in this country with the exception of shotguns owned by farmers for purpose of vermin control. This would include air weapons and the BB toys too. There is no earthly reason why anyone would want a BB gun unless it was to impress or threaten.
Darren Wheeler, UK

:uhoh::uhoh::confused::eek::eek::mad::what:Silence you moronic prat,you are handing over your rights willingly to another bunch of idiots-the antis.What a load of bollocks,he talks-if you would excuse my words.:barf::barf:
 
elrod, it's like §8 housing here in the states. They try to break up the criminal enclaves by moving them to other subsidized housing areas (which creates more friction). Just think of how Chicago shut down their housing projects (Ida B. Wells, Robert Taylor, Cabrini-Green, etc) and how that impacted surrounded areas (including my city).

slr for us Yanks="self-loading rifles" (British call "self-loading" what we would call "semi-automatic").
 
story and link! please!

story and link! please!
if I can figure it out you can too!
when you fail to include both, we all suffer.
I have tried to look up old threads when we talked about certain news stories, only to find out the link has been made history, no way to look up the info.
When you post the story and the link you preserve the story for much longer.
Those on thr who refuse to post link and story are guilty of violating unwritten rules and may be subject to harsh penalties.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/08/23/nshot323.xml

Britain's rising levels of gun crime

By Sophie Borland and Aislinn Simpson
Last Updated: 3:12am BST 24/08/2007

# Boy,11, shot returning from football
# Report: Crime in England and Wales 2006/2007

The number of young people prosecuted for firearms offences has soared by 20 per cent in the past five years, it was revealed earlier this month.

In 2001, 1,193 youngsters under age 21 went to magistrates courts on gun related charges. By 2005, that had risen to 1,444. The statistics come after a recent wave of gun crime in Britain’s inner cities, with many victims not even out of their teens.

Shadow home affairs minister James Brokenshire said: “The rise in gun crime demonstrated by these figures is alarming.”

In April Bernard Hogan-Howe, the chief constable of Merseyside Police, insisted new laws to make reporting information on shootings and possession of guns a 'duty’’ were essential because people were too scared to come forward.

Mr Hogan-Howe, in the running to be the next Metropolitan Police commissioner, said the wall of silence protecting the increasing number of young people drawn into gun crime had to be broken.

In an interview with The Guardian, he said Britain should adopt laws similar to those in Australia "where people have a duty to report information about gun crime to the police".

But he called on the Government to push them further and apply them to firearm victims too frightened of reprisals to press charges.

"The challenge is people who survive do not want to complain and the best witness is quite often the victim who can provide a description and motive," he said.

"By refusing to help it can put the investigation on to the back foot."

His comments come as police chiefs voice growing frustration at the difficulty in tackling gun crime among youths.

Mr Hogan-Howe told the newspaper his force was already evicting families that harboured children who possessed guns, and moving them to other areas.

His officers are also instructed to stop and search suspects regularly. The chief constable, who attended a gun crime summit at Downing Street in February, said such initiatives were leading the way in stamping out the problem
 
Crime? What Crime?

There is also talk of making it a crime to resist a robber, rapist, street thug, carjacker, home invader, etc., by any means, not just a gun.
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Ahh.

Well, then.

I guess, in that case, if one were to successfully resist a crime, one would be obliged to remove any evidence that any crime had been attempted or resisted (constituting yet another crime).

Failing to die (or at least be grievously harmed) becomes evidence of a crime.

Unless, of course, the body of the original perpetrator is never found.

I weep for England.

Eventually I fear that the good Britons will realize they have nothing to lose by carrying out the wishes -- or at least the apparent objective -- of Guy Falkes.

I only hope there is something left to salvage after that day.
 
The problem here lies with one specific group of people:The parents.At least 15 to 20 years ago,or more,the beginings of the serious-types of 'chavs' or free-loading/trailer-trash types started(In the UK).These kids are born into poverty,with mothers and have at least a couple of half siblings.They are brought up ammorally,without a sense of direction,a focus,a structured career,etc,etc and they revert to gangs as a surrogate parent-because their parent or parents have no time for them.
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I certainly don't mean to excuse non-existent parents from blame; the root cause of the U.K.'s social collapse, however, is socialism.
 
Since the cops over there no longer carry guns most of the time, perhaps it is time to stop oiling the garden and instead have a fruitful harvest. What are they going to do, come and get them unarmed? Last time England tried to remove arms by force from its citizens a colony won its independence.
 
I certainly don't mean to excuse non-existent parents from blame; the root cause of the U.K.'s social collapse, however, is socialism.
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We have always had 'council-estate yobs or punks,even back in the golden days,during the 50s and 60s.

Old School crooks like The Krays,The Richardsons,Dave Courtney,Kenneth Noye,etc,etc only robbed banks,building societies and established long-term methods of extortion,such as protection-rackets.Usually they got rid of the loot quickly by investing it in Swiss accounts,rare cars,etc,etc.These guys only carried guns to do the job and for defense against the cops,in particular the Flying Squad.Old ladies,women,kids,etc,etc of any race wouldn't be harmed anyway.This is why alot of people respected these types of crooks,because they policed their neighbourhoods and removed 'sex-cases',etc,etc.

These new boys are copying black american boyz,who like Uzis,etc,etc and who talk like them and believe in drive-bys,etc,etc.The have an attitude problem and the old whites,from the 50s to the 80s,would have them for breakfast and would dump their bodies in the Essex marshes or in the cement works in Essex and in kent.Thats what real-old timers,from the 'established' mobs,would do.

The old timers from these 'firms' are like the Mafia in America and they have links with them.They don't like these wannabes in their area and they would deal with them ruthlessley,if need be.

As for Socialism,Labour was in power in the 70s and none of this blasting other kids by kids happend then and there were old-school communists running the country then,too.
 
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I think that we need to re-write the title of this thread to:The Land where there are severe restrictions on private ownership and gun crime is soaring rapidly.:rolleyes::rolleyes::p:p:neener:

We aren't completely disarmed,so could we please acknowledge this for future reference please.Why do you say 'private ownership is illegal.What do you think that we shoot with at gun clubs then,water pistols?:rolleyes::rolleyes::neener::p:p
 
What do you think that we shoot with at gun clubs then,water pistols?
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According to some people here, the antis read these sites too. Don't give them ideas.

Apparently, the Scottish Parliament is planning on banning airguns within a year. So much for 2007 being a sensible year.

IIRC, the ban after Hungerford was 1987, no? Then we had the handgun ban in 1997, and now this.

We've got to change this place for the better before 2017.
 
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