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I agree than an obstruction charge for that is really abusive, but I also agree with rock jock and publicola. It sounds like you plead to obstruction rather than face the "unlawful use of a weapon" charge.

I hate to be an armchair quarterback, but since you apparently went off your property, why didn't you put on jeans or shorts so you could have the gun properly holstered (and maybe even concealed with a shirt)?

If I saw someone walking around at night with a gun under his arm, I'd be nervous too.
 
Wow. Quite a tale - sounds like good judgement was not excercized, let's be fair here, all around.

Honestly, you're lucky you didn't get shot. Running around half naked with a gun under your arm? Bad idea. When I say drop the gun, I mean DROP the gun, RIGHT F-ING NOW. Don't try to explain anything - I don't care if it's an heirloom worth eight bazillion dollars, or cocked with a hair trigger and no drop safety - DROP IT. The fact that it was under your arm and not in your hand probably kept the lead from flying.

On the other hand, once the situation was under control I see no reason why you were arrested (detained - hell yeah, but not arrested) , let alone treated so.

As for the phone call, it is often many hours before booking is done (especially your first arrest in a jurisdiction).

As an aside, if I hadn't met you before (though many moons ago) I'd question the veracity of your story - guys, you can trust this tale is true.


Oh, for those who think the twit in Denver shot at the Officer for no reason, you can trust that he had his reasons - he is a long-time gang member, who may be a suspect in many violent crimes. Or maybe he thinks we know more about his criminal activity than we do. In any case, he isn't some upstanding citizen who snapped.
 
Morgan,
I'll agree from a safety stand point Labgrade's carry method of choice that night left something to be desired, but still he was a citizen with a firearm. colorado's constitution quite clearly spells out that his Right to own & carry a firearm shall not be questioned.

He did nothing threatening from his account so I would conclude that his Right to carry was questioned when an LEO shouted "gun" & started giving him orders at gun point.

& again I must disagree with ya; from a safety minded perspective I am not going to follow any command that would cause a dangerous situation. So dropping a gun just cause some jerk with a badge & matching outfit told me to would not make me feel any better if a bystander got shot if the weapon disharged as it hit the pavement.

From another perspective, I wouldn't have dropped the gun at all, even if I could have done so safely. I'd have very calmly told the cops I meant no harm & I'd have told them that they should lower their weapons or I'd be forced to defend myself. Ya see, the cops had no justification for drawing, let alone disarming a citizen.

& there was no cause for detention. The cops weren't there investigating a crime committed with a firearm were they? Labgrade wasn't acting in a threatening manner, unless you count a citizen who would dare arm himself as threatening. So they had no legal grounds for detaining him let alone arresting him.

It's a shame he pled guilty though as I fear this might have cut off any potetnial legal action he could have taken to reprimand these disrespectiful cops &/or their department.


on a side note, it isn't always the upstanding citizens who snap first, but then again it could be. Ya gotta remember Denver is real bad about persecuting people who merely possess a weapon, even after Colorado's pre-emption law. So I can see someone who got busted with a joint & a gun getting real upset with the local PD, as well as a career gang banger, or just a gun owner who still hasn't got his favorite revolver back from that traffic stop when he did 37 passing by the speed trap at Sheridan & 44th.
 
General Quarters!

Just like being in the Navy! You go to your battle station immediately whether or not properly dressed! Grab your pants and shoes, but show up ready to fight, then put on your pants and shoes!
 
Labgrade

Just trying to understand the charge "prohibited use of a weapon". What was the nature of that charge? Had you been drinking? (a guess from another post that discussed "prohibited use of a weapon". Statute names and language very greatly from state to state).
If you'd be willing to share the case number and agency involved police reports would be available to all who wish to look at them.

Who's property were you on when you were confronted by the police?
I assume that when you plead you gave up the chance to appeal? If not speak to an attorney about the ability to do so. Perhaps that option is still open.

All the best

TBO



Text of "Prohibited Use Of A Weapon" statute18-12-106

18-12-106. Prohibited use of weapons.
Statute text
(1) A person commits a class 2 misdemeanor if:

(a) He knowingly and unlawfully aims a firearm at another person; or

(b) Recklessly or with criminal negligence he discharges a firearm or shoots a bow and arrow; or

(c) He knowingly sets a loaded gun, trap, or device designed to cause an explosion upon being tripped or approached, and leaves it unattended by a competent person immediately present; or

(d) The person has in his or her possession a firearm while the person is under the influence of intoxicating liquor or of a controlled substance, as defined in section 12-22-303 (7), C.R.S. Possession of a permit issued under section 18-12-105.1, as it existed prior to its repeal, or possession of a permit or a temporary emergency permit issued pursuant to part 2 of this article is no defense to a violation of this subsection (1).

(e) He knowingly aims, swings, or throws a throwing star or nunchaku as defined in this paragraph (e) at another person, or he knowingly possesses a throwing star or nunchaku in a public place except for the purpose of presenting an authorized public demonstration or exhibition or pursuant to instruction in conjunction with an organized school or class. When transporting throwing stars or nunchaku for a public demonstration or exhibition or for a school or class, they shall be transported in a closed, nonaccessible container. For purposes of this paragraph (e), "nunchaku" means an instrument consisting of two sticks, clubs, bars, or rods to be used as handles, connected by a rope, cord, wire, or chain, which is in the design of a weapon used in connection with the practice of a system of self-defense, and "throwing star" means a disk having sharp radiating points or any disk-shaped bladed object which is hand-held and thrown and which is in the design of a weapon used in connection with the practice of a system of self-defense.

 
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Guess I've been lucky, over the decades. My own interactions with LEOs have been pretty much a fair-play deal.

One thing which might contribute to events such as labgrade's could be the numbers of young people who have no background with firearms before becoming LEOs. (? Dunno fer shore.) They might be among those who don't believe in "civilian" ownership/possession...Thus, "Gun!" instantly pushes the fear-button. Scared people readily go stoopid.

And, face it: There has always been and there will always be that small percentage who go into law enforcement because of the power...

Overall, I think we do pretty good as to the integrity of our LEOs. Heck, look how many come to THR and interact "just like folks". :D

To categorically blast ALL LEOs because of the actions of a few is no wiser than somebody saying all gun owners have the shooting of highway signs as a top priority...

Art
 
Labgrade, very sorry to read about this incident and the outcome on you and your changes as how you will look at LEO's in the future. Were not your enemy!

Please, don't judge all officers by a few that are callus and serve only thier own needs and not the public interest.

That said, i would have to agree with Rock Jock's assessment of the actions you took that morning.

Glad your ok.

12-34hom.
 
You know, I think that law enforcement would be better served if there were two classes of cops - the "tactical" unit, who gets to do the dirty work, and isn't let out without forethought, and the "serve and protect" folks, who get given revolvers and ticket books. And get told that they MUST have crew cuts with visible hair...

You give someone a toy, and they WILL eventually use it. That's what it's there for.
 
Labgrade:

I have one suggestion:

GET THE HECK OUT OF COLORADO!

:D


And do like I did - move to Montana.:)

Go over and look at the thread in General Discussion about the MSP arresting an escaped murderer who pointed a shotgun at the troopers. I don't know how they did it, but not a shot was fired and no one was hurt.

It ain't perfect here, but it is better than "California" Colorado.

PM me if you want to come up and look around.
 
Good grief.

I worked with the LCSO in the early 70s on Search and Rescue and Fire Supression teams, and it was a pretty laid-back bunch of rural cops.

Hippies, climbers, smelly back country skiers; we had the run of the place, and were viewed as an integral part of Emergency Services.

The Loveland PD was pretty tense, but nothing like what you're relating.

Do you know why the cops were in your front yard in the first place?

I guess that Ft. Collins and Larimer County have finally hit the big time - they now have an out-of-control Police Force.

db
 
Morgan

Oh, for those who think the twit in Denver shot at the Officer for no reason, you can trust that he had his reasons - he is a long-time gang member, who may be a suspect in many violent crimes. Or maybe he thinks we know more about his criminal activity than we do. In any case, he isn't some upstanding citizen who snapped.
Never said he was upstanding. He was merely being pulled over for speeding -- nothing more. He comes out of the vehicle and starts firing at the officer for -- and I am saying this for your edification -- no readily apparent reason whatsoever.

I can't parse every post to satisfy the nuances of everyone here.

More on this case

In the meantime, the story has been displaced by THIS ONE.
 
Clearly, the charges you faced were not reasonable, but your actions showed horrendous judgement.

so {I} do place it (cocked & locked) under my left armpit. I also have a 3-D-cell flashlight in my left hand.

I walk up the hill to observe what I know to be my neighbor & at least a couple others - & some"strange things have gone on here in the neighborhood" which has never happened in 10 years here .... I'm just going to take a look ... maybe call the cops.

1. That's why you carried a Mag light and a gun, and left the phone home?

2. You see your neighbor standing and talking to folks? Sounds like a crisis to me!
Now given too, that we had a mountain lion kill a doe deer not 10 yards off this guys house a week before, we've had some other strange enough stuff

3. Did you think that the van and cars belonged to a mountain lion? :D

4. You "walked" up the hill. If you have time to walk, you have time to dress.

If I were a cop, and saw a half-naked man with a gun under his arm come out of the dark in the middle of the night, I would feel like taking control of the situation, too!

My house was wide open - both our sliding doors, our back doors were open to the world - it's June 28 - a summer's eve & "something very strange is happening in our neighborhood!" The very thing I went to investigate.

You erred here, too, leaving your house wide open with you gone. If the "very strange" events were a madman in the area, you could walk out one door as a killer walks in another. You have to secure the base before you go scouting, soldier!

And how could all the doors be unlocked? Do you leave them unlocked all the time? Poor judgement again.


I am genuinely sorry that your post-apprehension experience was so bad. But you put yourself in the situation where an @$$#*!& cop could make your life hell.

Next time, I know you won't give `em the chance.

Best wishes.
 
Man I'm sorry to hear about your experience!
I think there are a lot more of these stories out there than we hear.
If LEOs can't see that they are creating enemies with this JBT behavior, then they deserve what they WILL get!
It's a good thing it wasn't me. I investigate weird stuff with a 5 cell in my left hand, illuminating and blinding everything and everyone in range and an SKS (butt on hip) in my right hand.

Art, if you haven't had any simular experiences, then it means, (statistically speaking) that some other poor bastard has been through it twice!

I miss the days when people could call the police and expect help.
Now, I just assume it's bad if they show up and try to handle things myself.
If I need backup I call on armed neighbors.
 
If it had been me, I would not have left the safety of the house in the first place, if I could avoid it. It is a judgement call.

From what I have read by the so-called experts on these types of things, staying indoors is best, especially if you have no idea what is going down.

For example, you hear a noise outside. You look out the window, and it appears you neighbor is being assaulted by two guys in civilian clothes. You grab your gun and run out to stop the fight only to find our that the two guys are plain cloths detectives trying to make an arrest. How do you think you would end up in that situation? Most likely somebody would have been shot, most likely you.
 
Couple this with the ridiculous image adopted by the current crop of LEOs, shaved heads, black gloves, bloused boots, and a "Batman utility belt"

One more point worth considering, the vast majority of what you called Good guys, had Military service under their belt prior to LE. Todays kiddy cops lack the personal dicipline instilled by the military. Could that be a factor?

Could the fact that quite a few LEO's now have military experience be a factor in their shaved heads and bloused boots?

As a 'young person' I find my generation to be extraordinarily uncooperative to police officers. The 'me' generation junk really has no place when you're dealing with law enforcement.

If 20-40 years ago, all police officers were moral upstanding citizens, and no one got a raw deal, why are there so many accounts of crooked cops? Fiction? I think not.

I agree that most law enforcement agencies are becoming somewhat more militant, but I would posit that such a movement is a reaction. Bureaucratic inertia and the cost factor would have kept most cops in revolvers and sorely undertrained. The nature of the people they deal with changes, and the nature of their work also evolves. Regardless of age or department, I don't think you'll find a cop on this board who would disagree that one of the best ways to make sure you go home at the end of your shift is to be proactive and stay one step ahead of the bad guy. I see the direction many departments are going in to be an execution of this logic.

Part of the problem is also the pay. Like I've said about the private security industry before, if you're paying peanuts, don't expect brain surgeons to apply. My local department's starting pay is $24,400, which isn't a whole lot of money considering the work and responsibility laid on them. I would love to see pay and standards raised across the board for law enforcement, from local PD's through federal agencies.

Lastly, it's human nature to focus on the bad. I'm sorry labgrade had a bad experience with his local PD (and prosecutor), but I can't recall the last threat I saw on interactions with cops that went well. 'Well' is status quo, 'bad' is sensational. If you disagree, watch the news.

-Teuf
 
Publicola sez:
I wouldn't have dropped the gun at all, even if I could have done so safely. I'd have very calmly told the cops I meant no harm & I'd have told them that they should lower their weapons or I'd be forced to defend myself.
Hey, it's your funeral.

All kidding aside, you need to read up on the law, and what an Officer can and cannot do, before you try something so foolish.

there was no cause for detention
Half naked man running around with a gun? That is suspicious enough to warrant detention, just long enough to identify the psudo-streaker and verify that he hasn't or isn't about to kill somebody.

Ya gotta remember Denver is real bad about persecuting people who merely possess a weapon, even after Colorado's pre-emption law.
A legend that refuses to die. Denver has been fairly firearms-friendly of late. Of course, if you can give me case examples, I'll happily eat my words.
 
The charge of obstruction often levied by law enforcement has become eerily similar to the charge of contempt levied by a judge. Both charges are darn near impossible to shake. How convenient...
 
Sure sorry to hear that Labgrade. Maybe you did make a mistake or two but noone's perfect. The LjEbOt's on the scene should have let you go regardless once the situation was sorted out. Anytime a LEO makes a mistake, they're always given the benefit of the doubt, citizens get the shaft. That's what P's me off. If you wandered out there half naked without a gun, you would have got to go home. It was the gun and a chance to get one off the street, extort more money and get someone else in the system and even possibly turn the masses minds away from the 'help your neighbor' mindset that some have.

It isn't right. What rights did you have on the street in front of your own home? Zilch. The first whisper of anything other than total submission / begging for mercy and they start stapling charges to your forehead. Sounds like you got obstruction for asking what you were being charged with. Isn't that a crock.:banghead:

When I got my dose of the police state my wife got an obstruction charge for excercising her 5th Amendment right to not give them specific info on me and what I may be armed with and exactly how the house was laid out (she was outside). They were not a grand jury...

You shouldn't have plea bargained. Maybe you should sue the lawyer for failure of duty to perform. You paid him good money for what? A plea bargain to leave you worse off than before? You could have struck a plea bargain yourself, no lawyer needed for that.
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Morgan,
What's foolish is any human being trying to impose their will on someone through threat of arms. What is even more foolish is to think all other will meekly submit to that kind of behavior when they've done nothing wrong. & perhaps the most foolish thing of all is to be surprised if/when someone fights back effectively.

Hell, if you're worried about a criminal trying to harm you, then why do you seem so shocked at the idea of a citizen just trying to protect himself from a cops unlawful actions?

& I have read up on the law. Read up on case law as well. More importantly I've read up on the applicable Constitutions. The bottom line is that unless I'm threatening you or someone else, through negligent or malicious actions, or I'm suspected of a crime, then you as a cop have absolutely no authority to tell me to do anything.

now as I see it the Colorado's constitutional provisions about certain Rights are pretty clear.

Let's start off with Section 3. Inalienable rights.

"All persons have certain natural, essential and inalienable rights, among which may be reckoned the right of enjoying and defending their lives and liberties; of acquiring, possessing and protecting property; and of seeking and obtaining their safety and happiness."

& we progress to Section 7. Security of person and property - searches - seizures - warrants.

"The people shall be secure in their persons, papers, homes and effects, from unreasonable searches and seizures; and no warrant to search any place or seize any person or things shall issue without describing the place to be searched, or the person or thing to be seized, as near as may be, nor without probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation reduced to writing."

& we wrap it up with Section 13. Right to bear arms.

"The right of no person to keep and bear arms in defense of his home, person and property, or in aid of the civil power when thereto legally summoned, shall be called in question; but nothing herein contained shall be construed to justify the practice of carrying concealed weapons."


Now as I've said before, from a safety standpoint tucking a pistol under your arm ain't the smartest thing to do, but barring that I can see where Labgrade's actions could fall under the protection of all 3 of those articles.

There simply is no Colorado law which makes carrying a weapon openly illegal. (excepting laws concerning particular places, like school, courthouses, etc...)

Similarly there is no law in Colorado against wearing shorts w/ no shirt. If there was don't ya think half the male population in Boulder would be arrested every July? But I could be wrong & it's just not enforced. However it was not listed as one of the charges so I assume that had little or nothing to do with the kidnapping & stealing of Labgrade's property.

When the cops ordered him to drop his weapon, they did so without any legitimate authority.

So considering that Labgrade's actions were not illegal under Colorado law, they had absolutely no cause for detention. They saw a gun in the possession of a citizen & they got scared, so they did something very stupid & bullied Labgrade.

Now odds are they threw the obstruction charge & prohibited use of a weapon charge in after they had kidnapped him. In short they threw down the charges they thought would justify their actions.

I would submit it's the cops who need to read up on the law. Unless you can demonstrate (from Labgrade's statement) that they did have cause to kidnap him & steal his property at gunpoint.

After some thought the thing I think was meant by the obstruction charge was labgrade's refusal to drop a loaded weapon the second they said to. That's the only thing I can think of, unless they are trying to say his sitting in the door fo a car while asking a question was obstructing them. It'd be helpful to see the report, & until then it's all just speculation.


Now if you'll be so kind to look
here & here I think you'll see that Denver's governing body has no intention of making things better for gun owners.

A quote from the second link:

"We're going to enforce personnel regulations that say, for instance, that you cannot bring a gun to work even though some may interpret the new law to allow that,' Assistant City Attorney David Broadwell said."

So Denver being firearm friendly of late is something that I'd like to believe, but given their past actions & stories like the two linked above I just don't see it. Then again we probably have very different views of firearm friendly.

As far as case examples go, the last one I remember clearly that was fairly straight forward was Rick Stanley & an associate getting arrested for carrying openly in Denver to challenge Denver's ban on open carry. Now keep in mind that until last March (I beleieve - could be off a month or two either way) Denver's finest had the authority & obligation to arrest anyone for carrying a firearm eitherly openly on their hip or openly in their car.

How often they followed through I cannot say. But likely some Denver cop arrested someone for solely carrying (no other crimes or suspicious activities) at leats once & that's way too many times. * what I would suspect is that most cops usually didn't press the issue unless the person failed some sort of attitude test, but then again given the way things are I wouldn't be surprised to hear that all Denver cops enforced the law religiously as often as they could.

But the problem is most of the time you hear about specific cases is when the person knows what his/her Rights are & tries to fight it. Odds are most people wouldn't fight it as most people don't realize what they're Rights are, let alone how important it is to protect them.
 
Sounds like its time to disband the police.

Any government that doesn't trust its citizens to protect themselves and their own interests is a government undeserving of the trust of its citizens.
 
Publicola - I respect your constitutional and natural rights. You must, in turn, respect my rights and responsibilities. I am bound to inquire on odd or suspicious activity, and given more leeway in doing so by society - I am also given broad powers to control the situation in exigency. Believe me, these are not powers I take lightly. I also have the right of defence from a threat (as an unknown with gun in hand, you are a threat).

If your weapon is in hand, and you come upon police (especially while in a state of undress :) ), they have the right (and responsibility) to address the situation. A holstered weapon carried by a person who doesn't seem a little weird (at the time) is a different thing entirely.

You are absolutely correct that it is legal to carry a weapn - but if the time, place, and (especially) method is suspicious, then it is legal and moral for police to investigate. If the police identify a potential threat, they are authorized to use any force necessary to control the situation or defend themselves.

A gun in your hand is a threat to me. I'm a uniformed, identified good guy. You are an unknown, and a threat, and will be dealt with accordingly. The sorting of things out may include apologies and explanations, but that's only once the perceived threat is controlled or removed.

Thanks for keeping it civil - let's take it offline or to another thread if you'd like to continue.
 
I don't think you'll find a cop on this board who would disagree that one of the best ways to make sure you go home at the end of your shift is to be proactive and stay one step ahead of the bad guy.
While that statement taken alone is undoubtedly correct, I think the underlying sentiment is very much in error. In fact, I believe the concept that a “cops job is to make it home at the end of the shift†is a major contributor to what is wrong with law enforcement today. The job of law enforcement is not to go home at the end of the shift, it is to act as a buffer between the evil in society and the good in society.



“Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friend.†John 15:13
 
Morgan

A legend that refuses to die. Denver has been fairly firearms-friendly of late. Of course, if you can give me case examples, I'll happily eat my words.
The city of Denver will confiscate your vehicle if you are caught with a firearm in your car even though you are traveling under the state law that allows having a firearm in your vehicle for lawful protection while traveling.

http://www.concentric.net/~rweller/news340.htm

The Denver, CO, City Council passed a Public Nuisance Abatement Ordinance that supporters claim will give the city's law enforcement a powerful tool to fight gangs and public nuisances. Supporters claim the ordinance is the product of extensive research efforts by the mayor's Public Nuisance Abatement Task Force. Opponents claim the ordinance is a thinly screened attack on legitimate gun owners.
The ordinance is Denver Municipal Ordinance 37-50 Et. Seq., which gives Denver's police the authority to seize cars, houses, and other property used in what the officer may determine is an unlawful act. Critics maintain police officers with an anti-private firearms view will use the law to harass gun owners by stopping them for a minor traffic infraction because of an NRA, or gun club decal on the car; then, upon "discovering" a firearm in the car, issue a citation and confiscate the individual's car, gun, and whatever else he thinks is appropriate. Even after the person cited has been cleared of any criminal act, the confiscated car, firearms, and other private property will not be returned unless the citizen hires an attorney and goes to civil court an action that could eas-ily cost each person up to $1,000 or more.

If you've never heard of them, then how about this guy?

http://www.davekopel.com/CJ/IB/ForfeitureReform.htm

David Kopel says:

April 18, 2002
“Public Nuisance†Criminal Ordinance: Denver makes various “public nuisances†into a crime for which a person can be fined or jailed, and his property confiscated. According to the definition of “public nuisance,†such a nuisance includes the mere possession of a so-called “assault weapon†or the unlawful carrying/transportation of any firearm.[1]

Thus, if a person keeps a self-loading M1 rifle in a safe in his home, and never even uses the rifle, the home can be confiscated. It is Orwellian to call private possession of a firearm a “public nuisance.â€

[1]. Denver Revised Municipal Code, § 37-50(c)9. State law prevents use of the ordinance against law-abiding people who carry guns in their car while driving inter-county. The Denver ordinances still apply to all intra-Denver travel, as well as non-auto travel.

Or his article from the Independence Institute?

http://i2i.org/article.aspx?ID=847

THE DANGERS OF DRIVING THROUGH DENVER
David Kopel / Dr. Paul Gallant
Opinion Editorial August 5, 1998

Packing the family in your automobile, to set out across our state for summer vacation? Suppose that your driver's license was issued by the Department of Motor Vehicles office in Colorado Springs. If you got stopped in Denver for speeding, the police would confiscate your car, since your license wasn't issued by the City of Denver. A couple weeks later, after the police and the Denver City Attorney finished their paperwork, they might give you your car back, after you proved that your license from Colorado Springs was valid. Absurd?

Not to Denver's piratical city government. The Denver City Council, by a 10-2 vote, has ratified the continuation of the city's property confiscation ordinance. According to the ordinance, the police are supposed to confiscate cars containing any concealed weapon--regardless of whether the owner can show his concealed weapon permit. Later, the owner has the burden of proving in court that his possession of the gun was legal, and if the court agrees, the owner gets his car back and his gun back--after spending thousands of dollars on an attorney, and being deprived of his car and his gun for weeks.

If the City Attorney is in a good mood, he might let the confiscation victim have the gun and car back without going to court. Even so, the property owner will have been unjustifiably deprived of his property for days or weeks.

To make matters even more unfair, Colorado state law specifically states that a person can carry a concealed gun in his car without a permit when his is traveling. So a family that lives in Limon, is going to Steamboat Springs for vacation, and passes through I-70 in Denver doesn't legally need a concealed weapon permit. But the Denver confiscation ordinance just ignores the state law, and orders police to confiscate the vacationing family's car and gun.

Still not convinced? The Denver Post believes the legend.

http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~61~1333103,00.html

Denver council to eye 2 new state gun laws
Two new gun laws passed by the state legislature earlier this year will be under discussion next week in the Denver City Council's safety committee.

Councilwoman Elbra Wedgeworth said the committee will discuss how the legislation affects home-rule cities such as Denver and what legal action the city might take if it decides to challenge the laws. "I personally believe that as a home-rule city, we have a responsibility to our citizens and our residents to say, 'Hey, I'm not a gun advocate, and we don't want weapons in our city,"' Wedgeworth said.

One law requires sheriffs to issue concealed-weapons permits to qualified applicants. The other pre-empts local gun ordinances.

The committee meeting is scheduled for 9 a.m. Wednesday at the City and County Building. Some of the discussion reportedly will be held in a closed executive session.

So does the Rocky Mountain News.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_1786186,00.html

Denver puts foot down in effort to retain local gun laws
By News Staff
March 4, 2003

The Denver City Council on Monday night unanimously signaled the state legislature it will fight any effort to tamper with the city's gun laws.

The 10-0 vote came on a resolution opposing two bills being considered by legislators. The resolution also authorized the city attorney's office to prepare to fight the proposals in court if they become law.

One measure would create uniform rules for issuing concealed weapons permits. The other aims to bring all gun laws into compliance with state and federal regulations.

City officials fear that both would pre-empt Denver laws.

"What they are really trying to do - at least some members of the legislature - is take away our home rule control as far as having weapons in our city," said Councilwoman Elbra Wedgeworth.
 
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