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There are an estimated 5 million banned firearms in Australia ?
No wonder crime and violence is increasing down under but lets not blame this on legal gun owners though, In Australia not one handgun used in a homicide between 1997 and 1999 was used by a licensed owner. One gun was registered, but to the victim.” – AIC, Media release
http://www.aic.gov.au/media/20000726.html
As for all your dummy spits on the GUN BUYBACK
Tighter gun control laws were not framed with the specific expectation that gun related deaths would decline."
-- Anne Standford,
press secretary for Police minister
What the people who advocated the laws argued was that they would reduce gun crime and the latest crime statistics from my state show a 26 per cent decrease in ’shoot with intent’ incidents and a 36 per cent decrease in assaults
with a handgun.
"The chances of being shot dead by a stranger are incredibly remote. The really important thing is to stop people in families using firearms to resolve disputes. Buyback won't do it, nor was it designed to do it."
-- Dr Adam Graycar
Australian Institute of Criminology
So.In total there are still between two and five million banned firearms in the country.
-- John Tingle, NSW Shooters Party on Allan Jones AM radio, 2UE
Shooters also just replaced guns they handed in on the buyback with more powerful models or made a quid or two
As an example I know of a person that handed in an old Stirling model 20 (.22 rimfire) with a broken trigger and a Ruger model 10/22 (.22 rim-fire)with a broken rear sight and received $300 for the two auto-loaders, far more than any dealer would have paid for them. This person is putting the money towards two military surplus .303 Enfield bolt action rifles at $150 each.
I Can hear the gun lobby nra parots here scoffing, “Guns don’t kill people. People do.” This ditty is familiar to all of us. Yes, and bombs and chemical weapons don’t kill people either, but they’re not sold over the counter to just about anyone without a criminal record who can prove that he or she can use them safely.
or on the black market
You can go into a western suburbs pub and within 2 hours have any type of gun you want."
Minister for Police and Emergency Services
-- The Hon Bill McGrath MLA
Was the buyback useful?
Those who claim that Australia suffered a "crime wave" as a result of new gun laws often cite as evidence unrelated figures for common assault or sexual assault (no weapon) and armed robbery (any weapon). In fact less than one in five Australian armed robberies involve a firearm.
By destroying one-seventh of its estimated stock of firearms (the equivalent figure in the USA would be 30 million), Australia has significantly altered the composition of its civilian arsenal.
"Although armed robberies increased by nearly 20%, the number of armed robberies involving a firearm decreased to a six-year low."
-- Recorded Crime, Australia, 1998. Australian Bureau of Statistics, Jun 1999
does owning a Gun decrease the Gun Kill" ?
Of the 12,000 guns used to kill people in the US every year, only 160 are used in legitimate self-defense. Guns in the home are used seven times more often for murder than for self-defense. A handgun makes it horrifyingly easy for people to express hate, on purpose or on impulse, by killing people.
There are many paradoxes in life. A persistent and troubling one is that the older and wiser societies become the less capable they appear to be of resolving complex social problems. Handy (1995, p 22) reminds us that where life fails it can succeed. Where life failed on April 28 1996 in Port Arthur it can succeed if it learns from that experience and endeavours to put in place mechanisms that reduce the chances of such a disaster happening again. Research is needed to explore possible connections between gun availability and brutal killings. In the short term the onus should be upon those seeking to justify less restrictive gun laws to make out their case
Two years ago in the United Kingdom, civilian handguns were banned, bought back from their owners and destroyed. In the year following the law change, Scotland recorded a 17% drop in all firearm-related offences. The British Home Office reports that in the nine months following the handgun ban, firearm-related offences in England and Wales dropped by 13%.
the pro Gun people use the UK as an example of Gun controls not working
BUT
A British citizen is still 50 times less likely to be a victim of gun homicide than an American.
The Australian rate of gun death per 100,000 population remains one-fifth that of the United States.
That upsets the NRA. It doesnt suit their spin
Maybe our Gun Owners are more responsible
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=15322
In Canada, where new gun laws were introduced in 1991 and 1995, the number of gun deaths has reached a 30-year low.
I will leave you on another positive note
Well at least we dont give Guns to 5 Year olds
Would any of the other Pro Gun people posting here?
There I have asked a question. I bet I do not receive any replies.
And We in Australia still have a lesser problem than a country like South Africa
A study of 10 mortuaries in South Africa shows that firearms kill more people than cars.!!!!!!!!!
http://www.gca.org.za/facts/briefs/21.htm
Sources
The Gun Law Con website
Radio 2UE
Rick starr
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There are an estimated 5 million banned firearms in Australia ?
No wonder crime and violence is increasing down under but lets not blame this on legal gun owners though, In Australia not one handgun used in a homicide between 1997 and 1999 was used by a licensed owner. One gun was registered, but to the victim.” – AIC, Media release
http://www.aic.gov.au/media/20000726.html
As for all your dummy spits on the GUN BUYBACK
Tighter gun control laws were not framed with the specific expectation that gun related deaths would decline."
-- Anne Standford,
press secretary for Police minister
What the people who advocated the laws argued was that they would reduce gun crime and the latest crime statistics from my state show a 26 per cent decrease in ’shoot with intent’ incidents and a 36 per cent decrease in assaults
with a handgun.
"The chances of being shot dead by a stranger are incredibly remote. The really important thing is to stop people in families using firearms to resolve disputes. Buyback won't do it, nor was it designed to do it."
-- Dr Adam Graycar
Australian Institute of Criminology
So.In total there are still between two and five million banned firearms in the country.
-- John Tingle, NSW Shooters Party on Allan Jones AM radio, 2UE
Shooters also just replaced guns they handed in on the buyback with more powerful models or made a quid or two
As an example I know of a person that handed in an old Stirling model 20 (.22 rimfire) with a broken trigger and a Ruger model 10/22 (.22 rim-fire)with a broken rear sight and received $300 for the two auto-loaders, far more than any dealer would have paid for them. This person is putting the money towards two military surplus .303 Enfield bolt action rifles at $150 each.
I Can hear the gun lobby nra parots here scoffing, “Guns don’t kill people. People do.” This ditty is familiar to all of us. Yes, and bombs and chemical weapons don’t kill people either, but they’re not sold over the counter to just about anyone without a criminal record who can prove that he or she can use them safely.
or on the black market
You can go into a western suburbs pub and within 2 hours have any type of gun you want."
Minister for Police and Emergency Services
-- The Hon Bill McGrath MLA
Was the buyback useful?
Those who claim that Australia suffered a "crime wave" as a result of new gun laws often cite as evidence unrelated figures for common assault or sexual assault (no weapon) and armed robbery (any weapon). In fact less than one in five Australian armed robberies involve a firearm.
By destroying one-seventh of its estimated stock of firearms (the equivalent figure in the USA would be 30 million), Australia has significantly altered the composition of its civilian arsenal.
"Although armed robberies increased by nearly 20%, the number of armed robberies involving a firearm decreased to a six-year low."
-- Recorded Crime, Australia, 1998. Australian Bureau of Statistics, Jun 1999
does owning a Gun decrease the Gun Kill" ?
Of the 12,000 guns used to kill people in the US every year, only 160 are used in legitimate self-defense. Guns in the home are used seven times more often for murder than for self-defense. A handgun makes it horrifyingly easy for people to express hate, on purpose or on impulse, by killing people.
There are many paradoxes in life. A persistent and troubling one is that the older and wiser societies become the less capable they appear to be of resolving complex social problems. Handy (1995, p 22) reminds us that where life fails it can succeed. Where life failed on April 28 1996 in Port Arthur it can succeed if it learns from that experience and endeavours to put in place mechanisms that reduce the chances of such a disaster happening again. Research is needed to explore possible connections between gun availability and brutal killings. In the short term the onus should be upon those seeking to justify less restrictive gun laws to make out their case
Two years ago in the United Kingdom, civilian handguns were banned, bought back from their owners and destroyed. In the year following the law change, Scotland recorded a 17% drop in all firearm-related offences. The British Home Office reports that in the nine months following the handgun ban, firearm-related offences in England and Wales dropped by 13%.
the pro Gun people use the UK as an example of Gun controls not working
BUT
A British citizen is still 50 times less likely to be a victim of gun homicide than an American.
The Australian rate of gun death per 100,000 population remains one-fifth that of the United States.
That upsets the NRA. It doesnt suit their spin
Maybe our Gun Owners are more responsible
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=15322
In Canada, where new gun laws were introduced in 1991 and 1995, the number of gun deaths has reached a 30-year low.
I will leave you on another positive note
Well at least we dont give Guns to 5 Year olds
Would any of the other Pro Gun people posting here?
There I have asked a question. I bet I do not receive any replies.
And We in Australia still have a lesser problem than a country like South Africa
A study of 10 mortuaries in South Africa shows that firearms kill more people than cars.!!!!!!!!!
http://www.gca.org.za/facts/briefs/21.htm
Sources
The Gun Law Con website
Radio 2UE
Rick starr
--------------------------------------------------------
"You meet the most abusive people in the AussieSeek Syn Byn at
http://aussieseek.proboards25.com/
Never argue with an idiot. He will bring you down to his level and win by experience."
Surely if there is a place on this board for a NRA clone , then the alternative viewpoint from Brady GCA- has as much right to be heard?
Or are your attitudes toward Freedom of Speech only relevant if you agree with the speaker