Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Brubz, May 7, 2021.
"The old man's still an artist with a Thompson."
In an open bolt blowback that fires on closing, that's called a runaway.
The Italian Beretta M1938 submachinegun had a heavy bolt and recoil spring for a M38 9mm cartridge at what we would call +P or even +P+ levels. The Italians issued three types of 9x19mm cased ammo: M38 for the Beretta, 9mm Parabellum for standard pistols, and a light loaded 9mm Glisenti load for the Glasenti pistol. The M1938 Beretta SMG fired at a low rate with the 9mm Parabellum load, but ranaway with the 9mm Glisenti: it recoiled enough to eject the empty and feed and fire the next round, but not far enough to get caught by the sear if you let go of the trigger.
(ATF banned open bolt semi-autos because they were too easy to convert to full auto. I think it was a good idea to ban them because the potential for runaways with weak ammo.)
but great fun out to 50yds. WOW! Even though I was a lot younger it was heavy. Recoil was manageable though.
Well, that's a Coen Brothers film, they turn out excellent movies.
Many of the "Motor Bandits" who sprang up after the Bank Collapse in 1930 typically raided NG Armories (often with "inside" help). Prohibition involved moving bulky supplies of booze around, so tossing a few shooters in was no real bother.
NFA was about an attempt to ban all handguns, it was gussied up with "anti gangster" stuff as a way to get it through Congress.
And the gun, assembled:
The violin case, closed:
The L and C drums:
Layout of the violin case:
Compartment for the sling, and the cleaning rod:
More detail, showing the case layout:
Both guns are dummies, built on Richardson receivers using Russian re-import parts kits. "If you can't tell the difference, what difference does it make?"
He kept a Thompson in a scabbard beside his drivers seat. Said if you had to shoot, you basically aimed low, pulled the trigger, and let the recoil pull it up
When I worked at the LGS, I had a guy that had found a war bring back in a relative’s attic they were cleaning out. IIRC, he wanted $800 for it. I told him that I considered the offer hypothetical, and informed him that I wasn’t interested in doing ten years in club fed, and that it should be surrendered to the sheriffs dept. Last I ever heard. He may well have been ATF and doing a sting.
Rick Jason played Lt. Gil Hanley, Vic Morrow was Sgt. Chip Saunders. Jason refused the Thompson first day on the job because of its weight; he was a hunter who loaded his own ammo and knew he'd be on set shooting 15 hours a day. Morrow inherited the Thompson and complained about the weight (d'uh ....) so the prop dept. built him a wooden dummy. BTW the B. A. R. Kirby hefted around was also a wood dummy unless it was being fired. Interesting minutia; the name of the prop master who distributed weapons to the cast ??? ......
Tommy Thompson. Yeeeup. How does THAT go over as a coinky-dink????
I bought one of the Kahr M1A1 Thompsons a year ago. I've seen and handled real ones. Weight and ergonomically they're really very similar (meaning heavy & clunky) but I don't find the 16" barrel too off-putting, really. For me it fits the "way cool range toy" niche and it's not a gun I'd choose for serious applications. In a previous post I noted actor Rick Jason chose an M1 carbine when he joined the "COMBAT!" cast in the 1960s and you know, I think he made a excellent choice.
One of my Dillinger books claimed a .30 caliber variant was popular with the gangsters of that era; however Wiki doesn't support that contention.
There are several modern versions that don't get shot much around here anymore, I'll leave it to the offspring to decide their disposition.
As shown here we shot a version every summer as kids when the carnival would come around.
Tommy by IMAhobbyist posted May 8, 2021 at 6:49 PM
For watching a Thompson at work, Combat was good.....but the Untouchables was better. Nearly every week Bruce Gordon (Frank Nitty) or Robert Stack (Eliot Ness) had an episode with choppers in action.
The Thompson was briefly chambered in a caliber called .45 Thompson, which was basically a lengthened .45 ACP round. There were plans in WW2 to make a version in .30 carbine. I can't remember if any were actually made or not, but it didn't come to anything because the M3 Greasegun was designed to supplant the Tommygun, though it never quite did, and the select fire M2 Carbine came about, which eliminated the necessity of a .30 Carbine Thompson.
I don't believe any Thompsons were made in a .30 caliber. It was designed during WW1 and John Tafaglio Thompson started out with a .30-'06 designed but when the delayed blowback Blish operated version couldn't be made to work, it was decided to go to a pistol round and the "submachine gun" came into existance.
Rembrandt, I recall watching a dvd of THE UNTOUCHABLES when Stack dropped a Tommygun and I could see it wriggle as it hit the ground. I realized it was a rubber "stunt gun." Freezing the image and zooming in (DVD is great technology, you can freeze frame anD magnify every blemish! ) I could see that the surface of the weapon was pretty rough and irregular .... far worse than any real gun could be.
THAT'S a Thompson??? .....
Those Finns made some tough, resourceful and effective soldiers! The Suomi K/31 was one good sub gun... I’ll say it was better than the Thompson M1 and it’s offspring.
I think the Russians were so impressed they copied the gun (or the magazine?) when they made their PPsH.
By the 1930s, it was clear that Prohibition had become a public policy failure. The 18th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution had done little to curb the sale, production and consumption of intoxicating liquors. And while organized crime flourished, tax revenues withered. With the United States stuck in the throes of the Great Depression, money trumped morals, and the federal government turned to alcohol to quench its thirst for desperately needed tax money and put an estimated half-million Americans back to work.
The End of Prohibition - HISTORY
Yep, Tax gangster guns to give ATF someone to chase and arrest AFTER the ban on booze went away
From what I've read there are two known .30 carbine examples, one of which I believe will be offered at RIA on the 15th of this month.
Perhaps I could have worded .30 caliber better as I meant it to include .30 carbine, .351 WSF, and .30-06
That's an interesting AR PCC. Is that yours?
My favorite subgun of all time!!!
Those darn refrigerators you just can't trust them
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