The time has come for compromise...

[RinkRat]

Compromise is giving into the other sides demands because you can not defend your own.

Compromise is an oversight that exposes your vulnerabilities.

There is no Compromise to the 2A.

Again….Cinemark had a “No Guns” sign on the door? Please tell me more about how that made everyone safer?

HO….and stricter gun-laws prevent shootings you say?? PLEASE tell me more about how criminals follow laws???

 

[Darkhades]

I know he has spoke about doing something in the past to change gun laws but his actions speak different.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/...onal-parks/#.T3qKdb9Wpdf
Allows guns in national parks


http://content.usatoday.c...-december/1#.T3qKbL9Wpdf
can bring them on trains

He is a demi so if he is consistant with most of his parties history he has a good chance of making strick gun laws but his history shows different, it just shows him saying he will.

 

[mljdeckard]

So, you think he allowed guns in national parks because he WANTED to?

The restriction had already been lifted. Before it could go into effect, a judge ruled that more study (which would never happen) was needed before the restriction should be lifted, effectively blocking the action. To override that, a rider was attached to the Consumer Protection Act that Obama wanted so badly. If he wanted it, he HAD to allow guns into national parks. It wasn't what he wanted, it was EXTORTION.

 

[zdc1775]

So, you think he allowed guns in national parks because he WANTED to?

The restriction had already been lifted. Before it could go into effect, a judge ruled that more study (which would never happen) was needed before the restriction should be lifted, effectively blocking the action. To override that, a rider was attached to the Consumer Protection Act that Obama wanted so badly. If he wanted it, he HAD to allow guns into national parks. It wasn't what he wanted, it was EXTORTION.

I think this is more along the lines of what the OP is implying. Attach a rider that removes supressors from NFA on a bill that would reform imigration. Few people would notice the rider and would just blindly support the imigration reform.

 

[Darkhades]

Not so much that he wanted to more then It feels like he is just saying he will do something about gun laws to keep his party happy. Feel good laws like gun laws apply to those people with the sheep syndrome ( http://articles.directorygold.com/Article/The-Sheep-Syndrome/70 ) or Ostrich Syndrome to make them feel safe. It just so happens his party would seem to appease those type of individuals. Correct me if I am wrong and please point out which bills he has pass in dealing with gun laws besides taxing them different which that is a demi thing anyways. I am not defending him by any means I am all about the facts so if you were to educate me on something I might have missed I would appreciate that.

 

[mljdeckard]

The (ONLY) reason he hasn't introduce new gun legislation is that when he took office, 60 some-odd Democrat congressmen sent a letter to him and the Attorney General telling them that they will not vote for any new gun laws, period. He doesn't have the votes, and that won't likely change in the next four years either. He knew he had a lot of other big battles to fight in congress, and he wasn't going to waste political capital on a sure loser. Do not mistake lack of opportunity for lack of desire. There is not a single vote or action in his career as a professor, a state legislator, a senator, or a president that is good for gun owners.

There is a LOT more to gun restrictions than legislation. Start with BATFE rules, DOJ prosecution guidelines, and federal court picks.

 

[Neverwinter]

I think this is more along the lines of what the OP is implying. Attach a rider that removes supressors from NFA on a bill that would reform imigration. Few people would notice the rider and would just blindly support the imigration reform.

That is probably the sort of discussion intended, particularly the relatively likelihood of various riders being successfully attached. The removal of SBR/SBS and AOW from the NFA process would probably be easier than opening of the MG registry.

 

[General Geoff]

Never compromise, never surrender.

 

[silvermane_1]

what i don't understand is why during both Bush Admins. there wasn't anything done about the imigration problem then when the GOP had the chance?

 

[silvermane_1]

funny, still haven't got an answer on my last post.

 

[Spats McGee]

Your last post wasn't really firearms related. That might explain it.

 

[plodder]

The power to vote, to get licenses and "free" entitlements like another minority, to not be prosecuted for being here illegally, and on and on. Most, especially those who came from Mexico and Central America have lived with extreme gun violence for most of their lives - therefore, to them, gun control is a must and they will side with that group

So these illegal immigrants fleeing a land of corruption, lawlessness and virtually no rights to self defense, who can see what happens when the general citizenry is disarmed; would naturally gravitate toward a political party espousing the same in this country. I don't think they are that stupid, but maybe they will bite on the "candy" of entitlements.

 

[danez71]

I have long believed that it is a huge mistake to associate the 2ndA with unrelated issues that cater to the subset of gun owners who are social conservatives, as that term is now understood with regard to religion, immigration, etc. Many of us, and likely a majority of us, do not fit that category.

Allowing unrelated "culture war" issues to be associated with RKBA activism would be the surest way to divide the RKBA community, IMO.

I agree 100%

 

[hso]

This one's gotten muddied up with nonRKBA issues so it is closed.

We have one issue here at THR - RKBA.

No other issue is within scope of this forum.