The UK takes ANOTHER step towards "1984"...

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Read it and weep...

(You'll note they are kvetching about the "cost" and the "inconvenience" here, and NOT about the obvious civil liberties implications.)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/02/18/nid18.xml

Labour will force everyone to give fingerprints at ID card interview centres
By Patrick Hennessy, Political Editor, Sunday Telegraph
Last Updated: 12:47am GMT 18/02/2007



Ministers plan to force all adults to travel miles at their own expense to fingerprint scanning units so their details can go onto an identity card database. From 2009, everyone will have to attend one of 69 "interview centres", whose locations are revealed today for the first time.


When people apply for an ID card, fingerprint data will be stored in the National Identity Register


People without their own transport, such as the elderly and the less well off, will be hit hardest by having to make round trips that in some cases will be more than 100 miles. Somebody living in Cambridge would be forced to make a 62-mile round trip to Bury St Edmunds, while people in Blackpool would have to travel 54 miles to Blackburn and back. In Stranraer, residents face a 128-mile round trip to Kilmarnock.

The revelations are the latest blow for the Government's crisis-hit ID card scheme. Ministers claim the scheme, which will see the first cards issued in two years' time, will cost £5.4 billion, although experts at the London School of Economics say the total bill could be £19.3 billion. Biometric passports, which hold similar personal details to ID cards, will be issued later this year. There will then be a two-year period during which people will be able to apply for a passport without also being forced to apply for an ID card.

From 2010, all passport applicants, even if they are simply renewing their old one, will also have to apply for an identity card.

Last night David Davis, the shadow home secretary, branded the latest revelations an "outrage" and repeated the Conservative pledge to abolish ID cards, which he dubbed the "plastic poll tax".

advertisementLabour also wants all first-time applicants for a British passport to travel to the same 69 centres for interview, when they will be asked about things like previous addresses and bank accounts.

If the party wins the next election, it will make ID cards compulsory for all British citizens over the age of 16, whether they have a passport or not. In its ID cards "Action Plan", the Government has confirmed that when people are forced to enrol for an ID card, "fingerprint biometrics (for all 10 fingerprints) will be recorded and stored in the National Identity Register". It is possible that iris scans will also be taken. Ministers also published a report to Parliament on the cost of the scheme last October, which did not include plans to cover interview costs.

Mr Davis said: "It is bad enough that we will be forced to pay for an ID card, but to have to pay to go to a Government centre to be interviewed and fingerprinted is an outrage.

"These costs will hit low-income families and pensioners, who might otherwise not want passports, hardest. Conservatives will abolish this costly plastic poll tax. It will hit the taxpayer, not the terrorists."

The 69 locations for interview centres are: Aberdeen, Aberystwyth, Andover, Armagh, Barnstaple, Belfast, Berwick-upon-Tweed, Birmingham, Blackburn, Boston, Bournemouth, Bristol, Bury St Edmunds, Camborne, Carlisle, Chelmsford, Cheltenham, Coleraine, Crawley, Derby, Dover, Dumfries, Dundee, Edinburgh, Exeter, Galashiels, Glasgow, Hastings, Hull, Inverness, Ipswich, Kendal, Kilmarnock, Kings Lynn, Leeds, Leicester, Lincoln, Liverpool, London, Luton, Maidstone, Manchester, Middlesbrough, Newcastle, Newport, Newport (Isle of Wight), Northallerton, Northampton, Norwich, Oban, Omagh, Oxford, Peterborough, Plymouth, Portsmouth, Reading, Scarborough, Shrewsbury, Sheffield, St Austell, Stirling, Stoke-on-Trent, Swansea, Swindon, Warwick, Wick, Wrexham, Yeovil and York.
 
WOW:what: and they are only worried about how expensive the IDs cost? Who knows US ID cards and drivers liscences have smart chips and bar code matrices on them now, would not be much of a stretch for this to happen here, probably via Liscences and the DMV doing fingerprints and iris scans to protect us from "the terrorists"
 
England being my birth place; I know the English will be lining up to comply. They are already video taped were ever they go. Cameras hang from every street corner. My uncle lives in england and he is happy to pay the price so he can get his disability money, which includes a new car every three years. He only has to pay for gas, everything else is paid by the government. They are a nation of sheep. I'm glad I am a citizen of this country but fear we may not be far behind. We as a nation think more of cars and big screen TV's than of freedom. Take care, we are going down this same path.:banghead:
 
It seems freedom is a finite resource. The more freedom that we force on the countries and people who don't seem to want it, the more thats sacrificed by those that do.
 
My uncle lives in england and he is happy to pay the price so he can get his disability money, which includes a new car every three years
.Most Americans would line up for that too. It's a sad state of affairs, and USA may very well look down that road one day. It's up to us to make sure that looking is all they do.
 
Idiots

They might as well have let the Nazis win the war as far as this ID thing goes. The only people needing that form of ID in this country are immigrants. When they become citizens, they can turn in those IDs.

Woody

Look at your rights and freedoms as what would be required to survive and be free as if there were no government. Governments come and go, but your rights live on. If you wish to survive government, you must protect with jealous resolve all the powers that come with your rights - especially with the Right to Keep and Bear Arms. Without the power of those arms, you will perish with that government - or at its hand. B.E. Wood
 
This is a usual Labour tactic of throwing an outrageous proposal up in the air and then dropping it due to a "public outcry" - they have been doing this with ID cards for at least the last three years, usually when the PM is in some hot water over something (at the moment its the Cash for Honours affair) and they want to distract the media. They are doing the same thing at the moment with the pay-as-you-drive Road Pricing system, fwiw.

As the Tories and Libs are noting, not only is this an outraegous attack on Civil Liberties, but it would also no doubt fall foul of this Governments tremendous incompetence when it comes to large scale public projects, as well as lose the Labour Party millions of votes (not just the principle, its the cost dont-you-know), and would certainly result in the a bigger public disobidience exercise, across a much larger spectrum of society, than the Poll Tax did.
 
agricola

I certainly hope you are right & (1) I will keep my fingers crossed that you are (2) there is sufficient outrage there to nix this plan before it gains momentum and (3) the clear and present outrage to such a proposal in the UK is registered on the meters over here.

Best

S-
 
agd1953, I have to agree. I'll always be British first, and usually I'd be the first to defend, but this is not cool at all. Having said that, it can't be any worse than what they put me through with immigration.
 
Last night David Davis, the shadow home secretary, branded the latest revelations an "outrage" and repeated the Conservative pledge to abolish ID cards, which he dubbed the "plastic poll tax".

Damn right, matey. Typical that one of the few politicians with some sense (and balls) is ex SAS.
 
My favorite quote from Hitch Hikers Guide To The Galaxy.

"I'm British. I know how to queue."

It says alot about the UK mindset.
 
Folks, if you were not already aware this has already happened here in the US....do a google search for the Real ID Act of 2005. The states are required to comply with the guidelines that Homeland Security decides on.....which according to the law will include Technology (RFID) biometrics (prints/retinal scan) etc etc....

Our passports already are being issued with RFID Chips etc etc.

The way this is being implemented is very poor as its been proven that RFID chips are readable from great distances.....in other words in its current proposed implementation anyone with an RFID Scanner can passively collect your personal info as you walk through the mall or main street USA.

This is a really bad bill. I urge all of you to call your state reps and urge them to refuse to comply as there are no safeguards for personal info at the very least.
 
Originally posted by Woodcdi:
The only people needing that form of ID in this country are immigrants. When they become citizens, they can turn in those IDs.

So illegal immigrants would get them? Would criminals get them? Wouldnt it be easier to give these cards to legal citizens so that anyone without one would be an illegal? This way you could deny people without them? From a logistical standpoint that seems easier for the government to do. How do you differentiate between an illegal immigrant and a citizen if neither was has an ID would be the argument that the government uses as they force citizens to comply and get an ID.

I personally think that this kind of thinking is dangerous. Give the government a little power and they will want to mark everyone. So no way in my opinion.
 
1In those days Caesar Augustus issued a decree that a census should be taken of the entire Roman world. 2(This was the first census that took place while Quirinius was governor of Syria.) 3And everyone went to his own town to register. Luke 2:1-3
 
There will then be a two-year period during which people will be able to apply for a passport without also being forced to apply for an ID card.

From 2010, all passport applicants, even if they are simply renewing their old one, will also have to apply for an identity card.

So they are basically admitting they're internal passports.

And thanks to anti-drunk-driving laws it's perfectly acceptbale to most people when police set up road-blocks and search every car, so that precedent can be applied to checking for internal passports.

***?

(where's the freedom?)
 
Keep An Eye On The Fan And The Sphincter...

So illegal immigrants would get them? Would criminals get them? Wouldnt it be easier to give these cards to legal citizens so that anyone without one would be an illegal? This way you could deny people without them? From a logistical standpoint that seems easier for the government to do. How do you differentiate between an illegal immigrant and a citizen if neither was has an ID would be the argument that the government uses as they force citizens to comply and get an ID.

Illegal immigrants don't have valid IDs now. (Legal immigrants already have a national ID card. It's called a "Green Card".) Criminals belong in prison. Illegal immigrants would acquire false IDs just like some do now. Stopping them at the border will cure that. Heavy fines and sanctions on companies or individuals who knowingly hire illegals will remove the incentive to come here illegally. All this is called "Doing it right!"

I personally think that this kind of thinking is dangerous. Give the government a little power and they will want to mark everyone. So no way in my opinion.

If you mean this real ID thing, you are absolutely right. This Real ID thing is those in government friggin' with our rights and freedoms under the guise of fighting an enemy. It's those in government covering their arses for all they are not doing properly by adding another layer of law. The lazy, cowardly, power-hungry misrepresentatives won't do the right thing. They know what they must do, but it'll require them to relinquish power they have usurped. It's a step backward for them. So in stead, they attempt to cover their "mistakes" with more "mistakes". Only this time, it's a bit too obvious. The fan is revving and the sphincter is dilating.

Woody

Look at your rights and freedoms as what would be required to survive and be free as if there were no government. Governments come and go, but your rights live on. If you wish to survive government, you must protect with jealous resolve all the powers that come with your rights - especially with the Right to Keep and Bear Arms. Without the power of those arms, you will perish with that government - or at its hand. B.E. Wood
 
So you are admitting that the IDs for Immigrants would not help the problem. I assume you were talking about using them to combat illegal immigration. So since illegal immigrants are criminals and dont use legal IDs then this will not stem the illegal immigration problem at all. Instead it will be a hassle for people who come to this country legally and want to become US citizens.

Why punish people who have committed no crime?
 
SPEND! SPEND! SPEND!

Your way to FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOM!

How can they enforce what they can't pay for?

MORE LAWS MORE! MORE FINES! MORE JAILS! UNLIMITED POWAH!

*cough* Um, never mind go back to sheep Britain where ever you are.

:neener:
 
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