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The ultimate put-down of the 9mm...

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  1. Preacherman

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    From The Diplomad blog site (http://diplomadic.blogspot.com/2004/12/reflections-on-weapon-cool.html):

    Sunday, December 26, 2004

    Reflections on Weapon Cool

    Maybe the incessant rain in this part of the Far Abroad reminds me of past assignments in other rainy parts of the world, or maybe I'm just going gaga. Whatever it is, for the last couple of days I've been thinking about the Good Old Days, some 20 years ago, when I was stupid but young and having a ball running around in Central America and learned a few valuable lessons, lessons about what I'll call "weapon cool."

    Those were great days to be a young officer working at an American Embassy. It was the height of the Central American civil wars and there was a constant adrenaline rush. Every day was an adventure; you didn't know how any day would begin or end. The people you worked with and met came straight out of a Hollywood casting call: plump Colonels wearing Ray-Bans; loopy foreign human rights activists; loopy foreign "mercenaries" down for the summer to fight Communism; loopy guerrillas and their loopy leaders; loopy US Congressmen and staff who would drop in and create havoc as they pursued some loopy leftist agenda . . . it was great. It was also very dangerous; but, as I said, I was both stupid and young so danger was part of the attraction -- much less so now, I assure you (still stupid, but not young.)

    We carried guns. Everybody in the Embassy had a favorite; guns were a constant source of conversation, debate and entertainment. We'd spend every Saturday at the range doing what you should do at a gun range, burning off many boxes of rounds and drinking many rounds of beer . . . like I said, stupid and young. My favorite weapon was a Colt 1911 Government Model .45. I loved that gun. First of all, it looked cool (more on this later), made a very nice roar, and its large, relatively slow moving slugs would make a very satisfying thud when they hit bowling pins, sending them spinning away. The Always Lovely Mrs. Chief Diplomad became a very good shot; her favorite piece was a S&W .357 Highway Patrol model (firing .38 Specials) -- she also was quite good with the small Colt .380 I had bought her, no mean feat. Every once in a while, I confess, she would concern me: the silhouette targets she picked seemed always to have a villain who looked more than a bit like me; and she would put some very tight groups into, ahem,shall we say odd places.

    When we would have a party at our house, we'd set up a gun room. As each guest arrived, he would drop his weapon(s) on a large bed in this room; after the party, it was amusing to watch well-oiled guests pawing through the pile of handguns trying to find theirs, trying to remember which one each had brought, "The Browning, yours or mine?" More than once Mrs. CD or I would find a weapon or a fully loaded magazine left behind in the always locked room and would then call each invitee to ask, "Amigo, did you leave something behind?" Please, please remember, dear reader, back then I was both stupid and young: the most exalted state to which man can aspire. But I digress . . .

    One of the most colorful of the cast of characters with whom I worked was a local Army Colonel (actually a LTC -- but nobody dared point that out to him) seconded to the National Police and made the Deputy Police Chief. Let's call him Jose Garcia (not even close to his real name). Jose Garcia, a tough, tough SOB, was a veteran of years of rural and urban combat against the guerrillas, and a member of a feared military intelligence unit before being sent to keep the civilian police force in line with the military. He never seemed to stop working or to sleep. He spoke good English and despite the lack of what we would consider a good education was well-read in history, especially military history. Not more than about 5'5" but built like a tank and born to command, he had an intense stare that would melt much bigger subordinates into quivering puddles of jelly. His famous "What did you say?" was not something any of his men ever wanted to hear. He was also remarkable for being on time and not tolerating anyone being even a minute tardy -- this in a country where 2 o'clock meant, on a good day, any time between 2:30 and 3:30.

    One December, along with other members of the Embassy, I was invited to a party at Garcia's house, a genuinely spectacular place on a ridge overlooking the city: swimming pool, movie theater, enormous yard . . . all straight out of Hollywood. At the party, we Embassy types joked among ourselves about how great it was that a LTC on a salary of about $150/month, by being thrifty, making good investments, and using supermarket coupons to squeeze those pennies out of the family budget could come to live like a sultan . . . amazing, inspirational. Anyhow, late into the party, the Colonel, who had been knocking back scotch pretty heavily all evening, came up to a friend and me, fixed us with that patented stare and blurted out, "The American Army . . . it has become homosexual!"

    Our Foreign Service Institute (FSI) doesn't include this scenario in its training modules, and no question on the FS exam covers this situation. As the more senior of the two Americans present, I felt compelled to say something biting and witty, so I let fly with a brilliant, "Uh, why?" The Colonel literally threw down his drink, reached into his jacket, pulled out a Government Model .45 and waved it at us. Let me stop for a second and note that from prior conversations, the Colonel knew that I was a Colt 45 man -- which proved a good thing. Now, with the Colonel's 45 about three inches from my face, I wondered how many other people had had this as their last vision on earth. "Look at how beautiful she is! This is a real gun, a gun for a man! A Colt 45! Not that sissy Beretta 9mm your Army is buying!" Let me stop for another second, the Colonel had been distraught for some time that the US military -- whom he admired beyond words -- had decided to move from the .45 to the 9mm, especially to an Italian model 9mm . One other note, he had rather strong and negative views on anything Italian (I don't know why, and it did not console him to be told that the US military's Beretta's would be made in USA.)

    "You, you know the 45. The 9mm is for sissies (huecos) with tight pants! Do you know how many times I have shot somebody with a 9mm?" My Embassy colleague and I assumed this either a rhetorical question or one to which he already had an answer, and we did not try to answer it. "Twice. Both times I shoot them and they get up! I have to shoot them again!" He now removed the 45 from my face, holding it in both hands, he looked down at it, "With this gun I only would need to shoot somebody one time! He doesn't get back up! This is a beautiful gun . . . people see it and they know you are serious. Most of the time I don't even have to shoot."

    Not long after this party I was transferred to another post and lost track of Colonel Garcia. I thought of him a couple of years ago while discussing modern weapon systems with a US Defense Attache. He, a Navy officer, agreed with me that the new warships generally didn't have the look of the old ones. The new ships were all boxes and rounded shapes and antennas jutting out. Yes, yes, each one carried more firepower than the entire Bulgarian army has possessed in its entire history; the greatest concentration of lethal force since G-d unleashed the flood, etc. But, but, they didn't look cool. The two of us, with the help of our Scottish advisor Johnny Walker (Black Label), decided that the ultimate cool look for a machine was the Harley-Davidson. All coolness in weapons had to be measured in those terms, i.e., is this the Harley-Davidson of weapons? One looks at a Harley and knows that it might not necessarily be the fastest bike on the road, but it's a serious piece of machinery -- it exudes menace and power.

    We btoh decided that the ultimate cool weapon had to be an Iowa class battleship. Having seen the USS New Jersey underway, heading for the Panama Canal, I assure you it's a sight you do not soon forget. With its huge guns and breathtakingly beautiful design, it had a calming influence on anybody thinking of getting rambunctious with the USA. The Iowa class ships belong on the sea lanes or in a Museum of Modern Art.

    Anyhow, before I make this too long, let me report that about one month ago I found the list of the coolest weapon systems that we had drawn up. I present it here -- just for fun and in no order -- and recognizing that it is partial and done in a bit of a haze:

    Ships: Iowa Class Battleships

    Aircraft: B-17 Flying Fortress, P-47 Thunderbolt, A-26 Invader, A-1 Skyraider, B-36 Peacemaker, F-86 Sabre, F-4 Phantom, F-14 Tomcat, B-52 Stratofortress, B-58 Hustler, AH-1 Cobra, AH-64 Apache

    Small Arms: AK-47 Kalashnikov, M-1 Garand, Model 1928 Thompson, and OF COURSE the Colt .45 of Colonel Garcia fame

    Vehicles: HMMV, M-1A2 Abrams, M-2 Bradley

    Other systems: George W. Bush

    That was as far as we got . . . Oh, and Colonel Garcia? Some years after I left Central America a friend told me that Garcia had died as he would have liked, i.e., in a gun fight against Communist insurgents. Another friend assured me that this version was nonsense and that Garcia had died in a car crash, drunk as a skunk. I can't vouch for the reliability of either piece of information and for all I know, Garcia remains alive, still carrying his beloved and cool 45 -- the one so cool he didn't have to shoot it, most of the time.


    (NOTE: The various weapons mentioned above are hot-linked at the Web site - click on the link to go there and see them for yourself.)
     
  2. Brian Williams

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    He left off the P-51 and the GP AKA "jeep"
     
  3. larryw

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    Diplomad is proof that the State Department, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary (Powell usually excepted), is not composed only of clueless leftists. One of the better blogs and IMO required reading.

    And I can't fault anything the late Col. Garcia said, "Look at how beautiful she is! This is a real gun, a gun for a man! A Colt 45! Not that sissy Beretta 9mm your Army is buying!"

    :neener:
     
  4. SMLE

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    In the "after life";

    I just had a mental image of Col. "Garcia" and Chesty Puller drinking Scotch and shooting coconuts off a fence with their .45s. In my personal ideal of heaven, I'll one day be able to visit them for a snort and a few mags of hardball. ;)
     
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    A fine bird, and finer with a 12Megaton H bomb on board. Flew on the last one that flew, the day before the last flight in 1959. Did a test hop on the bird before the high time people flew it From Biggs AFB to Amon Carter airport in Ft Worth, Texas.
     
  6. Arc-Lite

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    Besides the fact it was a funny read, I guess the only point here, is that Garcia drank scotch, was a thief, and is now dead....cool!!!
     
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    Nice to hear that a FSO has the same opinion on handguns & ships as I do. I, however, do not have a Scottish Advisor. :p
     
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    And how did the P38, the plane not the handgun, get left off the list.

    I think you need to switch to Irish instead of Scotch. LOL

    Great story. Thanks.

    DM
     
  10. dfaugh

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    A good list..

    But you left off one of the "coolest" weapons systems- the AC-130 gunship....
     
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    My personal favorite is the Ma Deuce.
     
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    Great Story...

    1911 fan myself...

    My Scottish Advisor [ back when I had one] , advised for a REAL 9mm ....the BHP of course. I still cannot find fault with that. :D

    Then again I am told Iam part Scotch..."'bout a fifth"...granted for awhile there the percentages were higher. ;)
     
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    As a friend of mine once said, "When you see a man wearing a 9mm, that don't mean he's gay. But he's definitely a cross-dresser." :neener:
     
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    9mm v. 45ACP

    :banghead: One can argue the issue all day long. Points can be made on both sides, the 45 is definately better with hard ball. But with commercial hollow points maybe, maybe not. But there is one overwhelming bottom line. Both are underpowered as they are pistol not rifle cartridges.

    A famous gun writer, whose name I don't recall, said it properly. (paraphrase not quote) The only reason you have a pistol (of any common caliber in my opinion) is to fight you way to a rifle!!

    I take the last paragraph as gospel.

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    Well, Colonel, just don't elect any girls to your Congress like we did and you won't have a sissy 9mm. Thank you, Congressperson Boo Hoo. :(
     
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    ANYONE who gets into the 9 vs 45 question, and makes these arm chair statements, has never done much beside talk, never used either, in a hot zone, and loves to echo the babble, of other arm chair wise mens babble. I think the part left out, in this "Garcia" tale, was the fact, he was killed with a 9.
     
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    The A-10 Thunderbolt II, better nicknamed "The Warthog".

    Now that my friends, is the flying version of the 1911 Gummint Model.

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    Iowa Class That has a nice ring to it.

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    Arc-Lite - Footpounds of energy aside, it is pretty much undeniable that the 1911 is cooler than the Beretta 92. :)
     
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    C'mon, a pair of black-plastic-framed glasses, repaired with tape, are cooler than a Berretta 92
    :evil:
     
  21. Arc-Lite

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    Ian...foot pounds figures are a great read, real life, is another world, placement is the key, granted the 1911 is great, I own a dozen, as for the Beretta, its a Beretta, personally I would not own one, the name Colt, or Beretta...does not do the work,unless your just talking....and then it still does nothing.
     
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    Yup, that's the typical 1911 fan talking. Sure glad I carry a real--oops, wheel gun :D
     
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    I won't knock revolvers -- but the M1911 sure has an impressive record.
     
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    That's what I want to know. The P-38 Lightning was the coolest of WW2 fighters hands down.
     
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