The USMC, Crappy Vision, Glasses & Laser Eye Surgery?

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Read the reply again... I wasn't talking about AIT or any other advanced training. Skunk asked about boot camp. I was 6'3" and 165lbs when I went to boot camp. The physical part was not easy, but I did not struggle with a lot of the training like the muscle-heads did. After a year or so and some serious wieght training I was up to 195lbs, and able to hump the load with the rest of 'em. I still say, for making it through boot camp, I would rather be slighter built than to be 5'10" and 220lbs, even if its all muscle.
 
As a 20+ year service member I was advised that I might want to consider having Lasik for my 20/400 eyes. The Army does this either at Walter Read, or contracted through civilians.

A COL I know had this two years ago, and is very happy with the results.
 
I would rather be slighter built than to be 5'10" and 220lbs, even if its all muscle

I'd have to agree. I've sorta stayed outa this one....but I'll sound off now....
I was 5'3" and 118lbs. I was, however, a triathlete and star track runner. My 3 mile times in boot camp were between 15:32 and 16:00. I routinely got sent back as 'motivation' for the big guys that were struggling to make the cutoff. I did struggle with the pullups a little bit, but it didn't take long for me to 300 PFT without trouble.
Oh, and any urbanites who aren't much on swimming had better go learn to swim. We lost a good portion of people who failed the swim testing. Another area where I excelled :neener:
 
I don't want to hijack the thread and go off on a tangent. However, I was 5'11" and weighed 213 lbs when I went to boot camp. I never had a problem in any of the physical components. Neither did any of the guys I went to boot camp with.

Everyone's physical build, motivation, etc is different. For me, I would rather have a good mix of aerobic and physical strength. Even for boot camp. However, that is just my personal opinion. As you have seen, there are alot of opinions differing from mine.
 
I forgot to add..I suffered like a dog on our forced marches. My stubby little legs just couldn't make good strides without running, and the pack was about 1/3 of my body weight....
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I thought about joining the Marines for a while too. I am 150lbs and 6'2, rail thin. I have 20/400 in each eye.

I was told that the vision wouldnt be a problem at all with glasses and wouldnt hinder me except for flight. He did tell me that I would most likely get stuck with double rats until I got to 175 though. I can eat all day long and not gain a pound...

I ended up not joining and now work in data integrity at an office supply store...I wish I would have joined then and I may still join.
 
Lasik/wavefront/etc. works by ablating (destroying) layers of the cornea. The cornea is only so thick. Long-term effects of a thinner, weaker cornea are relatively unknown. Since the surgery isn't brand new, there don't appear to be serious medium-term complications. But particularly with repeated "corrections", this is an issue. At some point, the cornea may get thin enough that doctors won't be willing do any more corrections.

Most complications occur due to insufficient diameter capability of the laser system. The surgery will create two curve types on the retina. The area ablated will have the proper curve to focus light accurately on the retina (back of the eye). The surrounding area will have the original curvature. Imagine a sphere. now imagine drawing a small circle on the surface and flattening it so that it has the curvature of a larger sphere. Note that there will be a non-continuous curvature change between the ablated portion and the surrounding portion.

Now, if you've ever even looked through glasses, you know that, if you're nearsighted, there's some duplicated sight area... if you can see something through the top or bottom edge of the glasses, you can probably also see it right above or below the glasses. Same effect with the sudden curvature change of the cornea, except the cornea modification results in circular effects like that. They show up, obviously, when the pupil dialates beyond the ablated area. The two curvatures focus the same images differently on the cornea, resulting in radial ghosting.

Bottom line: make sure, if you value low-light vision at all, that you know how much your eyes dialate (in mm/cm). Make sure the surgery ablates at least that much.

The other issues are primarily the result of infections, or improper replacement of the corneal epithelium after it's sliced away to do the laser ablation. If _anything_ feels out of the ordinary right after it's placed back, notify the doctor and don't go anywhere until they check it. If you wait a day or two, healing/scaring/ridges can occur, and this is very difficult to fix, pretty much beyond today's standard LASIK doctor's capabilities.

Read up on it as much as possible. If you have relatively thick corneas and you know the ablation area will cover your dilated pupil, the most important thing is to be able to recognize bad flap replacement and bring it to the attention of the doctor in a way that will get his/her attention.

What will be really interesting is when doctors manage to grow corneal cells and transplant them onto existing corneas. Then thickness will not be an issue, nor will most of the other problems. If they screwed up too badly, they could transplant a thick corneal layer and do wavefront, provided they could avoid internal optic problems between the layers, or fill in problem areas (pits/grooves/whatever) with externally-grown corneal cells before adding the new layers.
 
The USMC, Crappy Vision, Glasses & Laser Eye Surgery?
If you have a degree you may want to try and become an Officer. You get to go to OCS.

Are you pursuing this option? You probably should.
 
I'm in a similar position, except the service is the Border Patrol. I received a letter yesterday saying that my uncorrected vision constituted a hazard and that my tenative selection would be tenatively canceled unless I have my eyes fixed within the next 35 days.

I have a consult with a highly respected surgeon on Monday to do so.

I'm torn. While I would like the job, partly because it would get me out of CA, I'm a bit concerned about anybody, regardless of their expertise, messing with my eyes.

That's not to mention the other medical problem, that of two screws in my left ankle, that would also have to be cleared before I'm acceptable to the BP.

It's frustrating.
 
Skunk, how about some other possiblities? What about looking into other LE jobs such as local/city law enforcement, regional park police (if they have in your area), US Custom agent, US Marshall, Postal Police (uniformed division), Treasury protective force, DOE site protective force, or even possibly some form of Corporate Security position. You may be able to get into some or all of these occupations. Some pay well, some not as well.

Good luck by the way,
EricO
-about 6'1" & 165 lbs-
 
LASIK -- Think Twice!

Before anyone gets LASIK surgery, he or she should spend a LOT of time on this web site:

www.surgicaleyes.com

I had LASIK last year. Worst decision of my life. Still working out the complications. Of course, the problem has been in my shooting eye.

The complication rate is much too high for elective surgery, in my opinion.

Yes, I know that most people have no problems. It's all about risk/reward. The reward is that you don't have to wear glasses.

The risk is that you are blind, or nearly so, you can't drive, you can't shoot, you can't READ, you are in constant pain, and there is nothing anyone can do to help.

Glasses sound pretty good at this time. Again, read the actual reports by people who have had it (see the web site listed above).

If you decide to have it done, find the best surgeon in the country, and fly or drive there.

Better yet, stay with the contacts or glasses.
 
There can be complications, of course - and it's become so popular, of course there are less-than-experts who are doing it badly.

I had mine done by Dr. Manger at Saddleback Eye Center in Laguna Hills, CA, no complications, vision has been 20/15 since the day he did it (3 /12 years ago) and I've no regrets at all. The price was twice what some of the other places were advertising, but worth every penny for the results.

My partner went to a doctor in Long Beach who had a good reputation, but was cheaper - she had to go back six months later for a second surgery, but is fine now, 20/20 both eyes. Her vision was worse than mine to start (20/800 one eye, 20/1000 in the other, bad astigmatism vs. my 20/400 both eyes, mild astg), so maybe that was part of it.

My brother went to one of the many LASIK "chain stores" a couple of years ago, rock bottom prices, and had to wear glasses after for a year and have several "follow up" treatments before he was finished.

You do get what you pay for, and it pays to shop around. One thing I did was ask my then optometrist about it - if you have a good one and he is willing to recommend it (knowing he'll lose you as an eyeglass customer if it works!) Mine recommended Dr. Manger if I was going to get it done.
 
As long as it is correctable to something like 20/50 or some such, the Corps will take you.

One other thing you might want to consider: I have a friend that re-enlisted back in '01 (his first re-up), and part of the contract he got was that the Corps would pay for laser eye surgery for him.

So thats another thing to consider.
 
ArmySon and Spectre (uh. . . . JShirley) are pocket-sized, too, but they're two of the most dangerous men I know. You'll definitely get a lot farther than I would. If they made us squat and deadlift for maximum weight, I could keep up. Pullups and pushups are for little guys.

And, hey, Spectre, I was just kidding about that pocket thing. :uhoh:
I think it's awesome that you and Son are so easy to fit into overhead luggage compartments. :neener:
 
I had no problems functioning with my glasses during my hitch with the "Uncle Sam's Misguided Children". Yeah they got dusty, sweaty and were generally inconvenient. The only thing it restricted me from was flight school. (It didn't make a difference, I wasn't an officer)

Of course this was in the late 60s and they needed bodies for WESTPAC.

Good luck if you decide to do it. Great bunch of guys!


Semper Fi:D
 
well, considering that eye protection is the best thing since sliced bread when you're shooting at people and/or getting shot at, i don't think that having to wear eyeglasses is a detriment at all. dad's an eyeglass wearer, and it's saved him from projectile related eye problems because he wears his all the time, some of the ther guys in the shop don't.
 
Since we're talking about corrective vision surgery, does anyone know much about the implantable rings that go under the cornea to correct vision?

I've heard about this, but not enough; it seems it is reversible, which is a big consideration if it is done incorrectly.

Another question, related to Tyme's post - I've heard that RK had problems with weakening the cornea too, so I'd like to know about changes in altitude/pressure affecting a surgically corrected eye.
 
Okay...


GOOD LUCK


I'm going to discuss it with my eye doc tomorrow at 5:30. He just had it done and his vision and his age(53) were the nearly the same as mine - 20/1200+.

I expect to need reading glasses afterward, but maybe not. I'm wearing Varilux progressive lenses now because when I wear my contacts I need to carry reading glasses with me anyway.

John
 
At 110lbs..

I swear my gf would kick your behind from here to Hong Kong without a problem..

If being tactical means being 110lbs, I'll have to reconsider that offer...

Let us know how it goes man!! Don't go blind! Then you won't be able to read THR!!
 
Where you going, Skunk? I had Wavefront LASIK done on Thursday. I think I'll reserve my opinion until the one month check up. After years of contacts and whatnot, it's hard to be so hands off with my eyes now.

The worst part was when they suctioned my eyes flat for the cut.

Don't you have to wait 6 months post-op with no complications to enter the military? That's what the Army told me, anyway.
 
One Dr Gregg Feinerman in Newport Beach, CA. I'll report my results.

Frankly I'm more worried about my irritible stomach (seems I got an expansion pack for my irritible bowel :banghead: ever since that Sizzler dinner :banghead: ) making me nervous and convulse on the table than the surgery itself.

Time to turn in my carbon fiber trimmed Oakleys. :(

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