The wife finally gets it.

[Rebel Gunman HK]

Yesterday I took the not so scenic route home that takes a little longer (always take different routes) Anyway, im about 10 minutes late getting home... As Im driving up the driveway I notice the front door wide open. Red flag goes up in my mind, this is not normal. Wife's vehicle is in drive way, as she normally beats me home. I hit the garage door opener and pull my car in to the garage. I start pulling out my car gun when I see her walkn into the garage. Get out of the car but I see a look of distress on her face and she asks immediatly for the cell phone. (We don't have a home phone) So I ask whats wrong? She tells me the neighboor is inside on her cell calling 911 because her husband, who she has a restraining order was hiding in her house naked when she got home and tried to grab her. Ohhh, says I! So I walk right past the both of them in the kitchen and head straight for my 1911, grab it and start staping it on while shutting the doors. Police showed up fairly quickly and head into the home. Well to make a long story short, after the neighboor leaves and heads over to talk to the police I tell my wife, there is your reason to learn how to use my guns. That guy could have thrown on some clothes, walked across the street and thru the OPEN doors and did whatever he wants with the both of you. She always had assumed that Im always gonna be there to protect her since I have no social life and we are usually together. I think this was a big eye opener for her and she is finally taking my gun ownership seriously. Even asked to go shooting with me. Looks like she now understands.

 

[sturmruger]

Ended Well

I am glad he didn't come over to your house. That would have made things a little hairy.

Plus who wants a psycho naked man trying to get into their house.

 

[clipse]

I finally got my wife to go to the range with me Sunday. I kept telling that she needs to know how to use my pistol in case something bad happens. Of course, when we finally made it out there she ended up shooting better than me. She liked my 75B and said she wants to go shooting more.

I am glad no one got hurt and your wife now sees the light.


clipse

 

[foghornl]

Rebel Gunman:

Glad your wife finally "gets it", and that she was unhurt in the 'festivities'. [other than perhaps the 'It won't happen to me' thinking taking some hits]

Mrs. Foggy doesn't shoot, or want to learn. Yet, she is the one jabbing me in the ribs almost nightly..."I heard something", then gets mad when I grab up my Springy 1911 to check it out.

I cured her sneaking up behind me while I am looking, poking me in the back and saying "See anything?" when I came around real fast with the 1911 in 'high ready".

Anyway, good luck, good shooting, and be VERY PATIENT while teaching. Wives tend to think we are overly critical when teaching new things.


Never mind how I konw, I just know......

 

[TallPine]

How do you get past the "I just couldn't shoot anybody even to save myself so I am better off not having it" syndrome ???

 

[Chipperman]

You need a brain transplant to get rid of that one. :banghead:

 

[lawson4]

{How do you get past the "I just couldn't shoot anybody even to save myself so I am better off not having it" syndrome ???}



I read a reply to that somewhere; maybe on THR.
Explain that the person must have a low value of thier worth; they feel they aren't worthy of saving themselves. The BG's life must be more valuable. If they couldn't shoot someone to save a family member, then that member's life must also be worthless, or at least less valuable than the BG's.
They may rethink thier position.

Rick

 

[buy guns]

Rebel, i'm glad nobody was hurt. it's a shame that it takes something like this to convince a person how important it is to be able to defend themselves.

 

[Baba Louie]

How do you get past the "I just couldn't shoot anybody even to save myself so I am better off not having it" syndrome ???

Assuming it is a member of the female persuasion who uttered the above quote... Ask, "Who is more ferocious in the wild than a mother protecting her cubs? Why is that?"

Harsh words follow... sorta... (well, it made my sister, who is very anti, cry when we had this same conversation) "Then you can rest assured that more victims will follow in your footsteps, because you did not stop or even try to stop evil when it confronted you and you will be judged accordingly" (if you believe in judgement hereafter, which my family does). I went on, "I cannot believe that you would ever let anyone or anything harm you, your kids or your grandkids if you had the power, knowledge and ability at hand to stop that harm. I cannot think of how I would feel if evil found you unprepared, let alone how your kids or granddaughter would feel living their lives without your love and presence. Knowing how they've been raised, they'd probably blame the gun instead of the criminal weilding it." (that's when the crying started... I felt like a heel, but I believed every word of it)

She's still an anti who won't and can't kill a spider. Depends on others for even that. She'd put others at risk because of her belief.

Whaddyagonnado? Love 'em and protect 'em as best you're able. Keep killing those spiders when she needs 'em killed and pray to the good Lord to keep harm away from them.

 

[Rebel Gunman HK]

Im really glad this happened cause her metality has always been "You'll be here to protect me". Now she got home, got into this situation and I was not home yet. Got her thinking. She said she was just about to lock the doors and grab a gun when she saw me pull up. Maybe this will allow me to get her trained up. Ive tried in the past but she's always shrugged it off. Hopefully things will be differnt now.

 

[CJ]

How do you get past the "I just couldn't shoot anybody even to save myself so I am better off not having it" syndrome ???

How about to save someone else? I can see some belief of some sort of twisted nobility in valuing even a scumbag's life over your own (although I think you'd be hard-pressed to find any strong social guidance, such as religion, to support this). However, what about your child? Your significant other? Your mother and father? The innocent cashier who's just trying to earn her minimum wage?

Fine, give up your own life for some scumbag, but don't force someone else to give up theirs as well.


Edited to remove a potentially misinterpretable term for scumbag.

 

[Quartus]

Glad it turned out well, INCLUDING the re-education.



But if I pull up to my house and find things out of order, I'm not just going to pull into the garage. My routine goes out the window and I'll be checking things out carefully.

BTDT.

 

[G21dude]

My wife...

My wife is generally OK with me owning and carrying, although she'll occasionally come up with "I don't think I should have a gun because I don't think I could use it, and someone could shoot me with it."

I address this statement the same way every time.

1. "So say you're at the gas station, and some guy walks up, pushes you down, gets in the car, and starts to pull out with the children in the car. Say you have a gun. What do you do?" Every time, she frowns and says, "OK, I'd shoot him."

2. "Same situation, except this guy tries to kidnap you and haul you off in his car, away from the kids?" Response -- "I'd shoot him, OK, I see your point."

3. "OK, now that we've established that there are times where you'd shoot someone, for instance if they tried to hurt the kids, or even if they were going to hurt you instead of the kids, because that would leave the kids unprotected, let me ask this -- would you rather have a gun in a situation like that, or pepper spray?" Response -- "A gun, of course."

This conversation sticks for a while, but given enough time, so far she's always come back to "I don't think I could use it..." and we have "The Conversation" again.

She's agreed to get her CCW, but not to carry (yet), because it leaves options open that you don't have without one (see, I got a smart one!). She says if I teach her some stuff (I have an extensive martial arts background, but I believe tools are a major differentiating factor in self defense, and don't believe in bringing round kicks, armlocks, sticks, or knives to a gunfight) she might be more confident and would be more likely to carry a gun.

Now I just need to make time (with an about-to-be-3-year-old son and an about-to-be-4-month old daughter, that's not easy) to show my wife how to kick my ass.

 

[thumbtack]

I am glad to hear that everthing turned out alright.

was hiding in her house naked

Now that is just creepy, I hope the police popped him a couple of time with their nightsticks for this.

 

[Baba Louie]

Refuse to Be A Victim Seminar

RebelGunmanHK,
Since neither NM or AZ seem to have any "Refuse to Be A Victim" seminars at present... might I suggest a weekend in June with the one you love?

http://www.mynra.org/frame.cfm?url=http://www.nrahq.org
Seminar will take 3 - 4 hrs. plus

http://www.thegunstorelasvegas.com/images/rental.htm
Rental, mere seconds, minutes at best of actual shooting. Schedule some time watching people having FUN shooting submachine guns, rent one or another letting her choose this or that or one of each (at a time)(there's other ranges in LV, I just picked this one, not advocating one over the other) Call this 2 hrs. plus

http://www.1-las-vegas-hotels-reservations.com/scripts/search.asp

Total time spent in this regards 6 - 7 hrs. out of a 48 hr. weekend with the rest of the time spent on doing what she wants, but being together and having fun.
Refuse to Be A Victim
Remember that she came as close to danger as you did to losing her. You owe the both of you a weekend OFF together where you can talk about that reality while being glad she's safe and alive, both of you the wiser for it. I'm glad she's the kind of friend your neighbor know's she can come to for sanctuary when in danger, that speaks well for her.
Refuse to Be A Victim
Developing the mindset to deal with it... Situational awareness first. Those two ladies might want to talk to the other ladies in the neighborhood, as he might come back clad differently and armed next time. You might want to talk to the neighborhood gents. An ounce of prevention.
Refuse to Be A Victim
Having a Dog at least, baseball bat or walking cane nearby, maybe pepper spray, maybe some classes helping her self confidence in her ability to OODA, resist, fight back effectively targeting whats available (the old Ozark Hickory Nut Crunch comes to mind... they teach girls to fight dirty in them Ozark hills... I think Art's Grammaw would understand fully) and what level of force is required.
Refuse to Be A Victim
A crazy man coming your way unarmed is one thing. Two ladies with baseball bats might do well in that sparring. One woman with a gun would be able to stop it from even beginning, usually without firing a shot, but being darnwell ready to with confidence if need be.
Refuse to Be A Victim
When I talked to my sister about it, she did eventually get a big dog at least. Better than nothing... But I sing to the choir. Tell your loved one that you Refuse to Be A Victim and would like her to join you.

 

[BowStreetRunner]

im glad everything is OK and I hope the training for your wife goes well
BSR

 

[Standing Wolf]

They may rethink thier position.

Might not, too. There are some seriously warped leftists out there.

 

[Dex Sinister]

Keep killing those spiders when she needs 'em killed and pray to the good Lord to keep harm away from them.

<LOL>
This is my wife's CCW qualification target...

...but I still have to kill the spiders after I walk the length of the house to find out why she screamed.

[She carries a S&W 4516, in case you wondered.]

Dex

 

[Holly76201]

AS I've confessed here at least a couple of times before, I am a hoplophile who used to be a hoplophobe. My conversion came shortly after giving birth to my 1st child. The first weapon I learned to use was a .410, a nice little shotgun, easy to handle and low recoil. Now , 23 years later, I have moved on to absolutely loving all sorts of handguns, as well as some long guns, especially the Dearly Beloved's Thompson. My next learning experiences will be testing .16 gauge and .12 gauge shotguns for home defense. We moved recently and one of the first things my DB did was to replace the bedside pistol on my side. [I always keep a 9mm in my purse and a .32 in the pocket of my jeans.] He still hasn't given my one for my desk, and I'm buggin him about it now. He bemoans the fact that I seem to confiscate many of his pistols for my own use, but I think it's just an act, after all, he's the one who got me hooked. Create a junkie, feed the habit.
Anyway, hope some of the above helps some of you gentlemen convert your wifes or GF or female friends. Might I also suggest any of Paxton Quigley's books. Her website is www.paxtonquigley.com

 

[pax]

How do you get past the "I just couldn't shoot anybody even to save myself so I am better off not having it" syndrome ???

Here's how I dealt with it when my mother-in-law made that comment to me: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?threadid=6687

Basically, I agreed with her that it is foolish to carry a gun if you are not sure you are willing to use it. (This is absolutely true, guys: if your woman doesn't know for sure in her heart of hearts that she could and would use the gun at the moment of truth, she's better off without it. Work on the mindset, and the rest follows.)

Then I explained how I had gotten to the point of being willing to use a gun if necessary. I pointed out that I'd have no trouble fighting back if someone tried to harm one of my kids. Then I went on to say that if someone attacked me, they were taking my kids' mom away from them.

Of course I also believe that every person has the right (if not the actual duty) to defend themselves, whether they have kids to protect or not. But I chose a theme that would be simple, non-threatening, and easy to explain.

And when she wanted to drop the subject, I let her.

pax

 

[G21dude]

Holly...

Hey, Holly, would you be interested in getting together with my wife over lunch?

Unfortunately, I'm just kidding, I'm in GA...