The World Is Filled With Junk Guns
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gryphon
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UM, okay?
Jason Demond
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Lay off the guy!
If this post helps one new shooter pick a first gun, it's worth it.
If this post helps one new shooter pick a first gun, it's worth it.
Although generally sound advice, there are some situations where it's difficult to apply. Some people simply cannot afford an HK P7 or a Glock or even a CZ75. There are some manufacturers who do make basic reliable platforms that most 'in the know' gun buyers and enthusiast would quickly look down upon simply because they are not top-notch quality, not made of the latest metals or plastics, or are state of the art, etc. All of that cost money, money that the manufacturer passes on to the buyer, and money that the buyer must pay. Some don't have all of that money.
In short, for new shooters, research what you can buy and buy the best that your money will allow. There are plenty of forums like THR where unbiased opinions can be read for research. Keep in mind, however, the opinions that only count from the ones that actually own or have extensively shot (more than say 50 or 100 rounds) the gun in question. Throw out the opinions of the gun snobs who have never shot the gun.
In short, for new shooters, research what you can buy and buy the best that your money will allow. There are plenty of forums like THR where unbiased opinions can be read for research. Keep in mind, however, the opinions that only count from the ones that actually own or have extensively shot (more than say 50 or 100 rounds) the gun in question. Throw out the opinions of the gun snobs who have never shot the gun.
10-Ring
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What maybe junk for one, may be value to others. Consider the little old lady, on a fixed income in the hood who buys an inexpensive gun to keep in her purse as proctection when she does her marketing or banking etc.
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Dunno
Just me perhaps.
We get new shoooters for CCW. Unlike myself whom was raised with firearms...I'm learning and surprised how many today are not raised with firearms in the household. Get a lady, divorced parents, raised by mom...has no clue about guns...and have a gunshop owner have at her...vulnerable...
So we educate, suggest/help with choosing platform. So when said lady is going to inherit uncles model 12 and the gunshop owner said it was a piece of junk and he would only give a $150 for it...or allow on trade for something...She called to ask about "What is a model 12?".
Her small hometown gunshop owner will not get any of her business, she kept the model 12,learning to use,and bought a used model 10 here in the Big City for CCW.
She didn't know, asked, and better off.
Older I get -- the dumber I realize I am. Bunch of stuff I do not know about. My questions may sound stupid to someone familiar in/knowlegeable about---my money and I gotta learn somehow.
IMO
Just me perhaps.
We get new shoooters for CCW. Unlike myself whom was raised with firearms...I'm learning and surprised how many today are not raised with firearms in the household. Get a lady, divorced parents, raised by mom...has no clue about guns...and have a gunshop owner have at her...vulnerable...
So we educate, suggest/help with choosing platform. So when said lady is going to inherit uncles model 12 and the gunshop owner said it was a piece of junk and he would only give a $150 for it...or allow on trade for something...She called to ask about "What is a model 12?".
Her small hometown gunshop owner will not get any of her business, she kept the model 12,learning to use,and bought a used model 10 here in the Big City for CCW.
She didn't know, asked, and better off.
Older I get -- the dumber I realize I am. Bunch of stuff I do not know about. My questions may sound stupid to someone familiar in/knowlegeable about---my money and I gotta learn somehow.
IMO
Chainsaw
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Hopefully you won't tell me that I should not have bought my Kel-Tec P-11.
What's a poor boy to do?
Surely you are not for poor people going unarmed!!! Say it ain't so Joe Armalube
What's a poor boy to do?
Surely you are not for poor people going unarmed!!! Say it ain't so Joe Armalube
Kahr carrier
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Cool guide lines the old saying You get what you pay for.But I think inexpensive guns are okay they are people on limited or low incomes that cant afford a nicer gun . Something is better than nothing.
Umm, thanks for being proactive...
I think?
Of the couple dozen handguns in my safes, I'm sure somebody, somewhere would consider at least a few to be "junk" for some reason or another. Some of the Jewish persuasion would consider my 1918 DWM Luger to be one. Owners of a $2K Valtro would consider my Norinco IPSC race gun to be one. The Desert Eagle gets all sorts of snide comments. But there's that old saying, "Opinions are like @$$holes..." Quite befitting, since I'm the one having fun shooting each and every one of the guns, not the person telling me they're junk.
I think?
Of the couple dozen handguns in my safes, I'm sure somebody, somewhere would consider at least a few to be "junk" for some reason or another. Some of the Jewish persuasion would consider my 1918 DWM Luger to be one. Owners of a $2K Valtro would consider my Norinco IPSC race gun to be one. The Desert Eagle gets all sorts of snide comments. But there's that old saying, "Opinions are like @$$holes..." Quite befitting, since I'm the one having fun shooting each and every one of the guns, not the person telling me they're junk.
P95Carry
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I don't see a problem with ''preaching to the choir'' ........ cos actually some choir members may well be quite new to things ... and so if it makes em think a tad harder before buying that ''great value'' Jennings, Raven, Lorcin etc .. that's good.
Mention has been made about budgets .. and I have made a few concessions for that reason .... going sometimes for shall we say ''medium grade'' instead of top, because of what I could afford. I would cite an example as my two Taurus wheel guns ..... pretty acceptable ''Smith clones'' in many respects ... and I would not punish them to the same degree ..... they are IMO however value for money. My Rugers, Smith etc .. are definitely in their own league, but not everyone has huge sums available for top ranking purchases .. certainly not always when starting out.
Despite my well advanced years and experience with shooting, I still consider myself learning even now.
Mention has been made about budgets .. and I have made a few concessions for that reason .... going sometimes for shall we say ''medium grade'' instead of top, because of what I could afford. I would cite an example as my two Taurus wheel guns ..... pretty acceptable ''Smith clones'' in many respects ... and I would not punish them to the same degree ..... they are IMO however value for money. My Rugers, Smith etc .. are definitely in their own league, but not everyone has huge sums available for top ranking purchases .. certainly not always when starting out.
Despite my well advanced years and experience with shooting, I still consider myself learning even now.
gryphon
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What I do not understand is that people are posting things with inflamatory or controversial subject lines, then have a coniption fit when people disagree, don't see the value in it or are just plain disgusted.
When you start out with "The World Is Filled With Junk Guns", then go on a diatribe of what you should do to select only a "quality" firearm just reeks of arrogance to me. The "colorful" descriptions of peoples mental capacity later on in the thread only causes a reader to think even less of the original post.
I think that the post would have been better received and been taken more seriously if the subject line had been along the lines of "Guidlines For Selecting a Firearm".
Remember, words mean things, and perception is reality.
When you start out with "The World Is Filled With Junk Guns", then go on a diatribe of what you should do to select only a "quality" firearm just reeks of arrogance to me. The "colorful" descriptions of peoples mental capacity later on in the thread only causes a reader to think even less of the original post.
I think that the post would have been better received and been taken more seriously if the subject line had been along the lines of "Guidlines For Selecting a Firearm".
Remember, words mean things, and perception is reality.
I now own 5"junk" guns. A CAI Garand, a CZ-52, M-44 carbine,a Makarov, and a Pietta New Army BP. With the exception of the CAI's reciever all demonstate adequate workmanship. Besides, I'm shooting the heck out of all but the BP(no accessories yet). I shoot them well, and they are a fun break from my standard and very expensive guns. Matter of fact they are really fun. It's good advice to buy from a gum maker with a good rep, it's bad to sneer towards others who might just like their...Junk.
Hey, at least Armalube has a sense of humor.
Hey, at least Armalube has a sense of humor.
yeah. screw poor people. they dont deserve to defend themselves. they should forego food, insurance, ect. and move to better neighborhoods. doesnt the constitution say something about the right of the "well off" people "who can afford HK's" shall not be infringed?
dude
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#7!!!
.....what a friggin joke
It only gives you insight into who is passing the $$$ whom
Funny when I read #6, I pictured Algore speaking.
.....what a friggin joke
It only gives you insight into who is passing the $$$ whom
Funny when I read #6, I pictured Algore speaking.
I don't see how this topic is at all controversial. I took it for granted what the original poster wrote.
He never called any of your guns junk, he just made a statement that YOU interpreted. It speaks more about what you really think about your gun than what he thinks about your gun. For example, what if I said "People who can't shoot a handgun accuratly probably need more pratice or a more accurate gun." and you came back and said something like, "Who the hell are you to tell me I need more practice?". That to me would indicate that you are either a bad shot or at least you think you are. Same thing here, nobody said your gun was junk but some of you are getting pretty defensive. Think about it.
I took it for granted what the original poster wrote. He never called any of your guns junk, he just made a statement that YOU interpreted. It speaks more about what you really think about your gun than what he thinks about your gun. For example, what if I said "People who can't shoot a handgun accuratly probably need more pratice or a more accurate gun." and you came back and said something like, "Who the hell are you to tell me I need more practice?". That to me would indicate that you are either a bad shot or at least you think you are. Same thing here, nobody said your gun was junk but some of you are getting pretty defensive. Think about it.
standingbear
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ive had some of my guns called junk.all in the eye of the beholder.some are junk really.especially when it blows up in your hand(is it too late to fish out that ol jennings from the river bottom?)
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