There is Hope in California

[Kynoch]

I thought it prudent to keep a public list of items that prove that not all is lost in California with respect to firearms owners' rights. While CA is definitely not as free as was prior to the 1989 Stockton School Shooting and the avalanche of politically-driven efforts to control guns that has followed, there are a huge number of us that have chosen to stay and fight with some successes:

* SB 249 ("Assault weapons -- Bullet buttons.") Bill was removed from Assembly Appropriations Committee's Calendar. August 15, 2012. Ref: http://www.guns.com/2012/08/15/calif...t-button-dead/

* US Senate rejects expanded gun background checks and modern sporting rifle ban. April 17, 2013. Ref: http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/17/politi...ate-guns-vote/

* SB 47 ("Assault weapons -- Bullet buttons") failed deadline pursuant to Rule 61(a)(11). August 30, 2013. Ref: www.crpa.org/sb-47/

* Permanent injunction issued against AB 962. (Ammo restrictions.) November 6, 2013. Ref: http://www.nraila.org/legislation/st...trictions.aspx

* Gov. Jerry Brown's veto of gun control measures: AB 169, AB 180, SB 299, SB 374, SB 475, SB 567 and SB 755. October 11, 2013. Ref: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...l-legislation/

* The Calguns Foundation wins lawsuit against Los Angeles Sheriff Lee Baca to force LASD to accept CCW applications and reduce applicant hurdles. Jan. 14, 2014. Ref: http://www.calgunsfoundation.org/201...riff-lee-baca/

* Peruta vs. San Diego. (Removing the need to show "good cause" when applying for a CCW permit in CA.) February 13, 2014. Ref: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/v...y-of-handguns/

* Richards v. Prieto (Removing the need to show "good cause" when applying for a CCW permit in CA.) March 5, 2014. Ref: http://www.sacbee.com/2014/03/05/621...d-weapons.html

* CA Senator Leland Y. Yee a strong gun control advocate was arrested by the FBI on March 26, 2014 on charges related to public corruption and gun trafficking. On Friday, March 28, the CA Senate voted 28 to 1 to suspend Yee. Refs: http://www.latimes.com/local/la-me-y...,3801978.story http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local...252887921.html

* California's ten day waiting period for gun purchases ruled unconstitutional by federal judge. August 25, 2014. Ref: http://www.calgunsfoundation.org/2014/08/california-gun-waiting-period-laws-ruled-unconstitutional

* SB 53 ("Ammunition purchase permits") failed CA Assembly vote. August 30, 2014. Ref: https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml

 

[BradN]

Heller and McDonald are bearing fruit. And my "hat's off" to all the Californians who have continued to fight for liberty. I pray for your future success!

 

[200Apples]

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We are relieved... if only for a moment. As the hoplophobes keep at it, so must we believers in rkba.

We must continue to notify our State Senate's and State Assembly's elected officials via emails (my route) and phone calls to respectfully air our position fighting for our 2nd Amendment rights.

Thank you, Kynoch, for your post. Thanks also to the calguns foundation for their massive efforts.

 

[Kynoch]

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We are relieved... if only for a moment. As the hoplophobes keep at it, so must we believers in rkba.

We must continue to notify our State Senate's and State Assembly's elected officials via emails (my route) and phone calls to respectfully air our position fighting for our 2nd Amendment rights.

Thank you, Kynoch, for your post. Thanks also to the calguns foundation for their massive efforts.

So very true...

I was sitting in a gun-club meeting when someone announced that everyone in attendance should contact Gov. Brown and ask that he please veto anti-2A legislation on his desk. The vocal response was hideously apathetic and negative. Appalling actually. A few days later Brown DID veto the legislation thanks in large part to the emails/calls that gave strength to the lobbying.

Gotta keep hope and gotta keep fighting...

 

[Kynoch]

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We are relieved... if only for a moment. As the hoplophobes keep at it, so must we believers in rkba.

We must continue to notify our State Senate's and State Assembly's elected officials via emails (my route) and phone calls to respectfully air our position fighting for our 2nd Amendment rights.

Thank you, Kynoch, for your post. Thanks also to the calguns foundation for their massive efforts.

Yes indeed, we must remain vigilant. I do wonder if the gun-banners have a cogent strategic plan? Gun control is slowly becoming a more difficult sell in CA. It's also clear that a number of the existing laws are going to be slowly dismantled through the courts. I wonder if pushing for new laws is also beginning to offend the neutrals/fence-sitters?

 

[Jim K]

Stockton was not the reason for the CA restrictions, it was the excuse. The real reason was the total fear of Mexicans and Mexican gangs that turned legislator's guts to water. The old "WE can't allow THEM to have guns" was the driving force, even with upper class Mexican-Americans.

Jim

 

[Kynoch]

Stockton was not the reason for the CA restrictions, it was the excuse. The real reason was the total fear of Mexicans and Mexican gangs that turned legislator's guts to water. The old "WE can't allow THEM to have guns" was the driving force, even with upper class Mexican-Americans.

Jim

Absolutely not.

Politicos were desperate to show their constituents that they were "doing something" following the Cleveland Elementary School Massacre in Stockton, CA. Their desperation begot the Roberti-Roos Assault Weapons Control Act in California.

In the process politicos learned something gravely important -- through fear, they could divide voters, channel votes and get people elected by promoting "gun control" as a political topic. This dastardly behavior has served some politicos rather well over the years and it has propagated across the US.

Here in 2014 I think more and more voters are becoming hardened to their almost constant "crying wolf." Ever so slowly being a proponent of "gun control" is no longer a surefire ticket to more votes. It appears that it may well become a political liability if things continue as they are.

Let's see what happens as the courts continue to dismantle more and more CA "gun control" laws.

 

[Field Tester]

Jim,

What Kynoch is referring to is the Roberti-Roos Assault Weapons Control Act of 1989 which was prompted after the Stockton massacre. G. H. W. Bush then enacted a Federal ban in 89' for the importation of "Assault Weapons".

Kynoch,

I could be wrong, but I think Jim was referring to the racist laws that were pushed forward in California to silence minorities like the Black Panthers and Native American protesters.
I believe Reagan signed these laws into effect.

 

[Field Tester]

Jim,

What Kynoch is referring to is the Roberti-Roos Assault Weapons Control Act of 1989 which was prompted after the Stockton massacre. G. H. W. Bush then enacted a Federal ban in 89' for the importation of "Assault Weapons".

Kynoch,

I could be wrong, but I think Jim was referring to the racist laws that were pushed forward in California to silence minorities like the Black Panthers and Native American protesters.
I believe Reagan signed these laws into effect.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford_Act

The bill Reagan signed into law.

 

[Kynoch]

Jim,

What Kynoch is referring to is the Roberti-Roos Assault Weapons Control Act of 1989 which was prompted after the Stockton massacre. G. H. W. Bush then enacted a Federal ban in 89' for the importation of "Assault Weapons".

Kynoch,

I could be wrong, but I think Jim was referring to the racist laws that were pushed forward in California to silence minorities like the Black Panthers and Native American protesters.
I believe Reagan signed these laws into effect.

That might be. CA (like many other states) has some arcane laws regarding all sorts from weapons from open-carried handguns to switchblade and butterfly knives to nunchuks and throwing stars.

But the Stockton Massacre was and is the basis that changed everything in CA with regard to firearms. RR was and is a laughable bill. It was easily defeated in a practical sense by manufacturers but its legacy runs long and deep.

 

[Field Tester]

Both Kynoch and Jim are correct in the fact that we need to be mindful of our past, what liberties we've had stripped from us, the struggles we have faced fighting these unjust laws and continuing to not to compromise and bow to political pressure.

We don't fight this fight alone, many states are right there along with us. The victories we've shared should keep all 2nd Amendment advocates mindful that No State is a lost cause. It saddens me to hear fellow members of the firearms community denigrate My State and give it up for dead.
These wins just go to show that our fight never was and never will be truly lost.
In fact we may see other unjust laws repealed because of our victories.

I emplore members of other states to write California representatives letting them know you do not support any laws that suppress our 2nd Amendment rights, that you will not be visiting or spending any money that would go to our state and that you will happily visit when such laws have been repealed.

Also please give to organizations such as The Cal Guns Foundation even if you're not a resident of California. Our laws may seem local, but I assure you they have a National impact.

Help us fight the war here before you have to fight it on your own front.

 

[Kynoch]

Both Kynoch and Jim are correct in the fact that we need to be mindful of our past, what liberties we've had stripped from us, the struggles we have faced fighting these unjust laws and continuing to not to compromise and bow to political pressure.

We don't fight this fight alone, many states are right there along with us. The victories we've shared should keep all 2nd Amendment advocates mindful that No State is a lost cause. It saddens me to hear fellow members of the firearms community denigrate My State and give it up for dead.
These wins just go to show that our fight never was and never will be truly lost.
In fact we may see other unjust laws repealed because of our victories.

I emplore members of other states to write California representatives letting them know you do not support any laws that suppress our 2nd Amendment rights, that you will not be visiting or spending any money that would go to our state and that you will happily visit when such laws have been repealed.

Also please give to organizations such as The Cal Guns Foundation even if you're not a resident of California. Our laws may seem local, but I assure you they have a National impact.

Help us fight the war here before you have to fight it on your own front.

This is true without question. No other single states comes anywhere close to influencing the entire nation like CA does...

 

[Kynoch]

I thought it prudent to keep a public list of items that prove that not all is lost in California with respect to firearms owners' rights. While CA is definitely not as free as was prior to the 1989 Stockton School Shooting and the avalanche of politically-driven efforts to control guns that has followed, there are a huge number of us that have chosen to stay and fight with some successes:

* SB 249 ("Assault weapons -- Bullet buttons.") Bill was removed from Assembly Appropriations Committee's Calendar. August 15, 2012. Ref: http://www.guns.com/2012/08/15/calif...t-button-dead/

* US Senate rejects expanded gun background checks and modern sporting rifle ban. April 17, 2013. Ref: http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/17/politi...ate-guns-vote/

* SB 47 ("Assault weapons -- Bullet buttons") failed deadline pursuant to Rule 61(a)(11). August 30, 2013. Ref: www.crpa.org/sb-47/

* Permanent injunction issued against AB 962. (Ammo restrictions.) November 6, 2013. Ref: http://www.nraila.org/legislation/st...trictions.aspx

* Gov. Jerry Brown's veto of gun control measures: AB 169, AB 180, SB 299, SB 374, SB 475, SB 567 and SB 755. October 11, 2013. Ref: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...l-legislation/

* The Calguns Foundation wins lawsuit against Los Angeles Sheriff Lee Baca to force LASD to accept CCW applications and reduce applicant hurdles. Jan. 14, 2014. Ref: http://www.calgunsfoundation.org/201...riff-lee-baca/

* Peruta vs. San Diego. (Removing the need to show "good cause" when applying for a CCW permit in CA.) February 13, 2014. Ref: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/v...y-of-handguns/

* Richards v. Prieto (Removing the need to show "good cause" when applying for a CCW permit in CA.) March 5, 2014. Ref: http://www.sacbee.com/2014/03/05/621...d-weapons.html

* CA Senator Leland Y. Yee a strong gun control advocate was arrested by the FBI on March 26, 2014 on charges related to public corruption and gun trafficking. On Friday, March 28, the CA Senate voted 28 to 1 to suspend Yee. Refs: http://www.latimes.com/local/la-me-y...,3801978.story http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local...252887921.html

* California's ten day waiting period for gun purchases ruled unconstitutional by federal judge. August 25, 2014. Ref: http://www.calgunsfoundation.org/201...constitutional

* SB 53 ("Ammunition purchase permits") failed CA Assembly vote. August 30, 2014. Ref: https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...avClient.xhtml

* SB 808 ("Serializing homemade 'ghost' guns") vetoed by Gov Jerry Brown. Ref: http://us7.campaign-archive1.com/?u=7b69d67922f8e32ca499bb6b7&id=d4bfcacadd

 

[CoalTrain49]

If you look at a map of shall issue to residents/non-residents CA is land locked. Only recently did they get the word from 9th district that they will become shall issue. They are going kicking and screaming but they are going just like HI. They can fight it but when the district court says do it all those tax dollars won't stop it.

You will be become part of the west sooner or later, like it or not.

 

[EezyBeezy]

Seems like for every case we win, 5 or more are passed :banghead:

 

[steelerdude99]

If you look at a map of shall issue to residents/non-residents CA is land locked. Only recently did they get the word from 9th district that they will become shall issue. ...

But with the Gun Violence Restraining Order law that was just passed, those who have guns are just one phone call from a "concerned" relative away from visit by PD to take the firearms away. To catch the next Rodger Elliot, they'll be plenty of disarmed "Joe Schmo"s who have either vengeful or fearful relative(s).

chuck

 

[CoalTrain49]

But with the Gun Violence Restraining Order law that was just passed, those who have guns are just one phone call from a "concerned" relative away from visit by PD to take the firearms away. To catch the next Rodger Elliot, they'll be plenty of disarmed "Joe Schmo"s who have either vengeful or fearful relative(s).

It's not that simple. Here is the text.

This bill would authorize a court to issue a temporary emergency gun violence restraining order if a law enforcement officer asserts and a judicial officer finds that there is reasonable cause to believe that the subject of the petition poses an immediate and present danger of causing personal injury to himself, herself, or another by having in his or her custody or control, owning, purchasing, possessing, or receiving a firearm and that the order is necessary to prevent personal injury to himself, herself, or another, as specified.

So a LEO has to convince a judge that you are violent in order to get the restraining order. I would suspect a judge would want some sort evidence of that fact and not just we got a phone call from someone. An actual investigation by LE would probably be the standard here, otherwise your 4A rights could be violated which could be shown in a civil suit.

 

[steelerdude99]

It's not that simple. Here is the text.

This bill would authorize a court to issue a temporary emergency gun violence restraining order if a law enforcement officer asserts and a judicial officer finds that there is reasonable cause to believe that the subject of the petition poses an immediate and present danger of causing personal injury to himself, herself, or another by having in his or her custody or control, owning, purchasing, possessing, or receiving a firearm and that the order is necessary to prevent personal injury to himself, herself, or another, as specified.​

So a LEO has to convince a judge that you are violent in order to get the restraining order. I would suspect a judge would want some sort evidence of that fact and not just we got a phone call from someone. An actual investigation by LE would probably be the standard here, otherwise your 4A rights could be violated which could be shown in a civil suit.

First off, yes there is good news on some pro-gun rights topics as it pertains to CA.

Second, the Gun Violence Restraining Order, is being covered specifically here. Perhaps, I was a bit hasty to post in this thread that "it can be all taken away with this new law"

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=762698

Third, I expect that it will be a one-sided story that's told to the judge. The mere "concern" by "family" or "friends" would be enough "evidence" to convince said judge. After all, the law was designed to give law enforcement greater powers to take action based on concerns using what happened in Santa Barbara as their cause. I frankly would not expect LE to waste any time going for the Gun Violence Restraining Order as early as possible.

chuck

PS: I had to do some fancy re-quoting of your quote otherwise my post would have a big figurative and literal hole in the middle of it.