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One man, one gun, states new law

September 28 2003 at 10:41AM



By Edwin Naidu

More than two million gun owners in South Africa will have to take stringent competency tests when reapplying for their licences in terms of the country's new firearm law that comes into effect this year.

In terms of the Firearms Control Act, all existing and new gun owners will have to apply for licences, with private individuals allowed to own one firearm for protection. Owners of additional weapons would have to sell them through a registered gunshop or hand them over to the police for disposal.

The South African Police Service has started training designated firearms officers at stations throughout the country.

'We are determined to cut down on the number of guns in the country'
Currently a licence can be obtained from the central firearms registry via a gun dealer but the laws about to come into effect require applicants to apply for a gun licence from an accredited training authority. The applicant must meet certain requirements, including an as yet-to-be-developed competency test, and prove they have the temperament to manage a weapon. They must also have a safe to keep it in.

Gun owners will be tested on their knowledge of the 145 sections of the act.

As with the recent conversion to card format driving licences, the process will be phased in for existing gun owners over a period of about five years.

Police spokesperson Andrew Lesch said in terms of the act, a licence would be issued at an accredited institution which provides practical and theoretical training, and the police would do a comprehensive background check on the applicant, especially the person's "tendency to become violent".

The police will also conduct interviews with neighbours or family to help determine the applicant's suitability to hold a licence.

The guidelines for ordinary gun owners look likely to become a source of dispute
He said although no date had been set police would like the law to come into effect as soon as possible, preferably before the end of the year.

Sheena Duncan of Gunfree South Africa welcomed initiatives to reduce the number of weapons in the country and said the law would make it difficult for people to obtain a firearm.

Lesley Xinwa, spokesperson for Safety and Security Minister Charles Nqakula, said there would be an awareness campaign outlining the goals of the law. "We are determined to cut down on the number of guns in the country."

The law has infuriated firearm owners, according to Martin Wood, spokesperson for the South African Gunowners' Association. He said the police did not have the capacity to make the law work.

"There will be chaos when the act kicks in because police have not been open in their dealings with gun owners... they do not have the support of firearm owners and have been operating in a unilateral way," he said.

Wood said a backlog at the central firearms registry in Pretoria had already affected tens of thousands of applicants for gun licences. "How are they expected to handle implementing the new law, which requires additional work, when they cannot cope with the current load?" he asked.

He said previously it had taken three weeks for a licence to be granted. Recently, some members of the association had waited more than four months for applications to be processed.

"No one knows why licences are being refused... the current situation does not augur well for the time the new laws come into effect, there is bound to be confusion," he said.

Lesch said backlogs in issuing of licences were due to stricter measures taken because the police had been ordered by the courts to be more careful in checking out the applicants. The police have been held responsible in a number of instances for issuing weapons to people who have used them in violent disputes.

Lesch said since July organisations, including sporting and hunting groups and people who used weapons in the course of work, had to apply for accreditation.

Lesch confirmed gun owners had expressed unhappiness over aspects of the law but said there were opportunities during drafting of the legislation for public input. "We've done a lot of work already on the law.

"It is a learning process but to say there will be chaos is unfair as we have received support from many quarters."

He said although the act was comprehensive, and available in only English and Afrikaans, police did not expect an applicant to know everything it contained but at least to show a basic understanding of it.

The police, security, legal, justice and correctional services sector education and training authority is in the process of developing standards for the accreditation of training for gun owners.

The South African Qualifications Authority has also developed a training manual for policemen but the guidelines for ordinary gun owners look likely to become a source of dispute.
 
Mr. Wood,

"No one knows why licences are being refused..."
It's because they want to take all of your guns and destroy them, sir.
"the current situation does not augur well for the time the new laws come into effect, there is bound to be confusion,"
There's nothing complex or confusing about their goal. :fire:

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...private individuals allowed to own one firearm for protection. Owners of additional weapons would have to sell them through a registered gunshop or hand them over to the police for disposal.

American anti-Second Amendment bigots wish they'd thought of that!
 
That's what happens when you hand the country over to leftists and terrorists.

I predict criminals will become even more brazen and many innocent people will suffer.
 
As a former South African, and someone who has been back in the last three years;

If I lived there I would be armed to the teeth, and no law would say different.

Not only that, if I was forced to use my weaponry, I would remove the body of the attacker and leave it on the side of the road somewhere. The Police are far too incompetent and overwhelmed to deal with the murder, (There are hundreds of bodies that turn up everyday) and in South Africa, you do not want to have a self defense shooting adjudicated, unless you were shoot three times, in your bedroom, by a known killer and you warned him while absorbing the three bullets. Possibly then, you may only get a couple years in jail. And South African jails are very rough.

Or you can do what my family did, and get the hell out of there.
 
We are fighting this Act, but unfortunately the democratic processes involved with this act is nothing more than a smokescreen, the government does what the government wants, as simple as that...
 
"We are determined to cut down on the number of guns in the country."
Good luck. You idiots know you live on a continent where you can buy a Kalashnikov for $5, or trade a chicken for one right? Yeah this law is going to work REALLY WELL. :evil:
 
John Farnam (a trainer) has been decrying the situation in South Africa for some time. He trains folks down there, and it is amazing what a scary and dangerous place it is!

Try this Google search to read his stuff. Fascinating.

http://www.google.com/search?q=site:defense-training.com+"South+Africa"++Quips

For example:
Violent crime against whites, particularly farm owners, is rampant and all but encouraged by the government. Farm owners have been told that they will receive no protection. "Investigations" of farm attacks are a joke, and few arrests are ever made.

Private security forces have completely displaced public police in all upscale, residential and business areas. Public police are universally regarded as incompetent and clueless. In fact, crime statistics are so alarming that the government has decided to make them all secret! All crime statistics and police records are now classified. Newspapers and broadcast media are prohibited from reporting them. Bad news is not cool.

Any form of self defense is now a crime, particularly if the attacked is white and the attacker(s) is black. Anyone who uses a gun to defend themselves can plan on going to jail, which is a death sentence in itself. All I talked with indicated that, if they ever shot someone, they would simply walk away. If it occurs in their home, they dispose of the body and say nothing.
 
Yes, the war on the whites in Suid Afrika has been in full gear since '94. Every year the water gets hotter until it goes full Rhodesia.

For some reason,:rolleyes: the media and the government in the U.S. is silent. Now that their beloved socialists have won, no reason to put any obstacles in the path to the New Man.
 
Are you predicting Mugabe II? I would put money on it. I am so glad they un-nuked. I feel sorry for the minority South Africans that are being killed or chased away from their country. But it is OK because they are of european descent.
 
Extremes lead to extremes

It is disgraceful. What is happening in SA and in Zimbabwe will lead to a lot of bloodshed and chaos.

That is a lesson to us: Extremes breed extremes! the further the oppressive pendulum swings one way, the further it will go the other.

The United States so thoroughly screwed up in not opposing the old murderous terrorist regime because they "opposed communism" that now they won't utter a peep about this one.

This is disgraceful, but not unexpected.
 
Perhaps there is hope. We have a War on Terror. Nelson Mandela is most certainly a terrorist and the ANC a terroristic organization.

Lobby for an invasion of South Africa?:confused: If we can invade to stop alleged genocide in the Balkans and protect Muslims, why not invade Suid Afrika and Rhodesia?
 
Lesley Xinwa, spokesperson for Safety and Security Minister Charles Nqakula, said there would be an awareness campaign outlining the goals of the law. "We are determined to cut down on the number of guns in the country."
Yeah right .. great ''solution'' ..... :rolleyes:

Are these guys in cahoots with our beloved (sic) ... VPC I wonder .... same niévity .... seemingly similar (minimal) logic/IQ characteristics.
 
so. africa

Robert Ruark just sat up in his grave and asked for a double gin..................uhuru indeed!:banghead:
 
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