Well, that was...special.
The good news is that guys on a car forum are discussing guns, and most seem to like them. My son posts on the BMW forum, and told me that they also post some intelligent material about the Iraq war, in which he was a participant last year.
By the way, he told me about one Iraqi who was popped twice in the chest by a US officer with a 9mm, using the required M882 ammo. The Iraqi went right down, and although a medic ran up to help, the guy "bled out" within a couple of minutes. He said that two other 9mm shootings went well, too.
I think it is the exceptional case when a 9mm or .38 doesn't stop someone, but a crook on PCP or angel dust is another matter than a military combatant.
By the way, the son said that his M9 Beretta worked fine when kept clean, and used with genuine Beretta magazines. Aftermarket magazines by another contractor often fail, and he swapped his out until he had all "good" mags for both his Beretta and his M4 carbine. Said that many troops don't know the difference, or care, but magazine quality matters.
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