Things the Antis should consider

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Phil DeGraves

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ANTI-GUN MEANS ANTI-SENIOR AND ANTI-WOMEN

If you are against guns, then you must be against women and seniors.
Consider this. The most common victims of crime are women and the elderly. Why? Because they are the easiest prey. They are physically less equipped to resist. Let’s face it. Most bad guys are pretty short in the courage department. That’s why they look for victims that are easy to intimidate and overpower.
Let’s say that all guns worldwide instantly disappear. Will this reduce the number of women and elderly victims? Will the lack of guns prevent a thug from threatening a woman with a knife so that he can sexually assault her or from clubbing an old man with a metal pipe to steal his money? If we were to magically eliminate all weapons, would that stop a criminally inclined individual from imposing his will on those that are physically weaker than he is?
If we were to make it against the law to possess firearms, would that deter the individual who habitually breaks the law? Would an individual who has already decided to break the laws against rape and robbery actually be expected to not carry a firearm because it’s against the law? Of course not! So who is affected by the ban on firearms?
The intended victim.
The firearm is the equalizer; it allows the weak and feeble the ability to protect themselves from the predator, independent of physical strength.
The decision to own a firearm carries with it a responsibility to learn how to use it and a willingness to use it should the need arise. If you are not willing to use it or willing to learn how to use it, then don’t get one; it will likely be taken away from you and be used against you.
On the other hand, if you do not wish to own a firearm, to take responsibility for your own safety and rely on law enforcement to protect you, that is your choice. But to support restrictive gun laws, to impose your will on others, so that they cannot exercise their choice to protect themselves, well, who’s the thug now?
 
1. They don't care about women or the elderly or whoever. They care about control. Controlling you. Telling you what to do and when to do it.

2. They live in gated communties and nice places where they believe they do not have to worry about crime.

3. They control the media, the schools and government and thus feel no threat from any of these institutions.

It is not about guns. It never has been and will never be. It is about control, as it always has been.
 
I would agree with you as far as the Anti-pols, but the people that vote them in (the thousand Moms etc.) do not know that is what they vote for.
 
You know, firearms aren't the only equalizer out there, just one of several, but firearms happens to be one requiring the least training, or so people seem to think, to be used effectively.

Whether it be firearms, OC, martial arts, tasers, or whatever, they all have advantages and disadvantages. However, being against firearms isn't necessary being against women and the elderly. That is a spurious argument. Women and the ederly, along with men, do have other options. I personally don't think they are as good, but then again, they may be better options than guns in some cases.
 
Gun control is the theory that a 110 lb. woman has a chance against a 210 lb. rapist by herself.
Plagiarist!

Actually, it's:

"Gun control, the theory that 110lb. women have the 'right' to fistfight with 210lb. rapists." - Me

I've found that very little infuriates an anti-gunner as much as that one sentence. On more than one occasion, I've gotten the impression that particular anti-gunners are afraid of women who say, "No means no." and can actually make it stick.
 
STOP TRYING TO APPLY LOGIC, REASON AND FACTS TO THE ANTI GUN MOVEMENT!

You'll only frustrate yourself.

It's 100% about emotion, bigotry and control.
 
You know, firearms aren't the only equalizer out there, just one of several, but firearms happens to be one requiring the least training, or so people seem to think, to be used effectively.

Whether it be firearms, OC, martial arts, tasers, or whatever, they all have advantages and disadvantages. However, being against firearms isn't necessary being against women and the elderly. That is a spurious argument. Women and the ederly, along with men, do have other options. I personally don't think they are as good, but then again, they may be better options than guns in some cases.
In my considerable personal experience, anti-gunners largely don't mind if women fight back against rapists, just so long as they use a method of doing so that is unlikely to succeed, unlikely to cause serious harm to the rapist, and likely to lead to serious injury to the victim. A lot of anti-gunners seem to view a savage beating as "foreplay".

I've seen large numbers of anti-gunners who apparently consider "Xena, Warrior Princess" a documentary. They seem to believe that a 30 year old woman can't aim and fire a handgun without having it "taken away", yet at the same time expect a 110lb., 60 year old woman to physically subdue a 210lb., 21 year old male using nothing but casually acquired martial arts techniques.

Along with being racist, a large portion of the anti-gun movement is profoundly misogynistic. They will go on at length pontificating that:

1. Women are too unstable to own, much less carry guns, and that if allowed to do either, they will shoot "innocent" men. I've been told explicitly that women will "mistake" men for rapists and shoot them without cause. So far, none of these individuals has been willing to explain to me in detail how it is that they act in the presence of women that could cause them to be "mistaken" for a rapist. My advice to one of them: "Put down that butcher knife, pull up your pants, and you should be just fine."

2. Women will just have their guns "taken away" by an assailant. Yet again, there is no explanation as to why a woman would give her gun to a violent attacker rather than shoot him with it.

3. "Rape is not a capital offense"... refusing to explain how a rapist operates WITHOUT the credible threat of death or great bodily harm to his victim. Neither will any of these individuals explain what they would do for a woman who contracts HIV/AIDS from a rape attack.

If it appears that I have a very low opinion of a lot of anti-gunners, that would be an accurate impression. I've been through all of these arguments in usenet, and before that FidoNet, for longer than you've probably owned a computer of your own. There isn't a lame, malicious argument calculated to dupe women and the elderly into being victims that I haven't heard and shredded.

Some anti-gunners are just naive or stupid. More than a few of them are simply evil.
 
In addition to all that they often subscribe to a pacifistic world view.

They honestly believe that NOTHING is worth killing another human being over, even defending your own life. They see themselves as supremely civilized and use of violence even in self defense is barbaric and beneath them ... it would be better to lose a few "good" people to the criminals than to "lower ourselves to their level" and use lethal force in self defense.

This is also why they are so quick to appease tyrants.

It is an anti-logical world view certainly. But they are comforted by their fantasies and delusions and DAMN YOU for even CONSIDERING to open their eyes to reality.
 
It is an anti-logical world view certainly. But they are comforted by their fantasies and delusions and DAMN YOU for even CONSIDERING to open their eyes to reality.
But it's funny to watch one get hit upside the head and "get religion"! The imminent threat of bodily harm has an amazing clarifying effect on their thoughts.

A friend's mother wasn't just anti-gun, she was nasty and abusive to him about it. Then December 31st, 1999 rolled around. She called him up in a panic, wanting a gun she could use to hold back the zombie hordes. He just said, "no" and hung up on her.

Similar things happened during the "Rodney King" riots in L.A. Boy were suddenly converted anti-gunners shocked to find out that there was a LONG waiting period in California...
 
I am a man and have very little chance of ever being raped, short of being put in prison. I am pretty big and strong and can fight effectively. However, if I were a woman I would be very concerned about being raped. There are some big and scary dudes in the world, heck even at my gym. I'm a big guy and many of these guys are HUGE.

It is weird how, if you ask most women, being raped doesn't even cross their minds.

For example my girlfriend and I were watching a movie and there was a rape scene. In the movie, a woman came home to a dark home, when inside and a masked BIG man snuck up behind her with a 8" piece of duct tape and put it over her mouth and the proceeded to attempt to rape her. He punched her HARD in the head which clearly shellshocked her. Lucky for her she was a cop and carrying. She drew a gun from her waistband and shoved it in the rapist stomach.

We paused the movie and I asked my girlfriend what she would do in this situation since she doesn't carry or own a gun. She shot her first gun the other day and did well and liked it but has never considered owning a gun.

She just looked at me with a blank face. I think we both knew the answer was she would get the SH*T beat out of her, get helplessly raped, and possibly murdered.

I just don't get why many women don't consider this.
 
The most common victims of crime are women and the elderly...

Actually, that is untrue.

"Males experienced higher victimization rates than females for all types of violent crime except rape/sexual assault. "

"The elderly, persons age 65 or older, experienced less violence and fewer property crimes than younger persons between 1993-2002."

"Property crime, not violence, provided the highest percentage of crime against persons age 65 or older."

"Men were more likely than women to be the victim of a carjacking (2 men and 1 women per 10,000 persons)."

"About 22% of murders in 2002 were family murders."

(all of those are direct quotes from the DoJ website, btw.)

Women are more likely to be raped or beaten by a family member than a stranger. Men are much more likely to be assaulted by a stranger.

So, that begs the question: What gun for husbands? :)
 
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