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Dying To Work: America's Most Dangerous Jobs
Dan Ackman, 09.03.02, 8:00 AM ET

NEW YORK - Normally, the Bureau of Labor Statistics releases its workplace safety data in August, before Labor Day. This year the data will be delayed a month because of Sept. 11. That date, on which more than 3,000 people died, most of them at work, will skew the workplace fatality data dramatically. But in a normal year, like 2000, the most dangerous jobs do not involve firefighting or police work; they involve cutting timber and fishing.

The number of people who died at work in 2000 is 5,915. This includes people who died of a heart attack while sitting at their desks, as well as those who died in the course of specific duties, such as a cop gunned down by a bank robber. But while police and firefighter deaths make the news, neither job is among the most fatal, the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) reports--at least not in a normal year.

America's Most Dangerous Jobs
Job Number Of Fatalities Fatality Rate*
Timber Cutters 105 122.1
Fishermen 52 108.3
Pilots 230 100.8
Structural Metal Workers 47 59.5
Extractive Occupations 69 53.9
Roofers 65 30.2
Construction Workers 288 28.3
Truck Drivers 852 27.6
All Occupations 5,915 4.3
All data for calendar year 2000. *Deaths per 100,000 employed. Sources: Bureau of Labor Statistics, U.S. Dept. of Labor


In 2000, timber cutters had the most dangerous job, suffering 122 deaths per 100,000 employed. These workers toil in the woods accessible by dirt roads, with heavy machinery and amongst falling trees. The second most dangerous occupation is fishing, with fishermen dying at a rate of 108 per 100,000 of those employed. Airplane pilots have the third most dangerous occupation, with a death rate of 101 per 100,000. Nearly all of these deaths resulted from small-plane crashes, not on passenger jets.

Structural metal workers and what the BLS calls extractive occupations (mining and drilling) round out the list of the top five most dangerous occupations, though neither group dies on the job at even half the rate of timber cutters. Nationwide, 142 police officers and 43 firefighters died on the job in 2000.

The third most common cause of death on the job in 2000 was homicide, which claimed 677 workers. Fifty cops were murdered. But so were 205 salespeople. Falls were the second most common cause of death, accounting for 12% of the total. Not surprisingly, roofers and structural metal workers were the most likely to meet this fate.

The most common cause of death on the job in 2000, however, was the car accident, accounting for 23% of the total. Even police officers were slightly more likely to die behind the wheel than by homicide.
 
Pilots have the third highest fatality rate? Among the occupations listed, pilots would have to rate first among "least likely to die alone". That's so scary :eek: that it makes me think the number is wrong.

I wonder if the number represents people whose occupation is "pilot" or does it include people who are just flying their own plane.

Regards.
 
Well, I guess - if nothing else in my life - that I can say that for many years I worked in the most dangerous job in the US. :D

I survived, and never had to help carry any bodies out either, but I did work with a kid that later got killed. (his own fault - working under a "hanging" tree :rolleyes: )

If I wasn't getting so old and tired (and if the environmentalists didn't have the industry so screwed up :fire: ) I would throw this PC out the window and pick up my saw again. ;)

"it's a dang good life if you don't weaken ..." :D
 
pilot fatalities

OK - a number of factors skew the pilot figure -

1. Crop dusers and air ambulance pilots are technically "proffesional pilots", but operate under much more hazardous conditions than passenger plane pilots.

2. Among the few that can afford AND are inclined to be involved in the hobbies of: aerobatics, unlimited air racing, warbird restoration and display, home-built or other experimental aircraft design, construction, and flight are...airline pilots, manu of whom have their hobby documented as a "business" for tax purposes - so when that Bede Microjet, Pitts Special, of F-86 Sabre turns into an expensive, smoking hole in the ground, very often a "proffesional pilot" working as an "employee" is technically involved.

3. Last but not least - (and this is just my opnion) the increased exposure to cosmic rays, (high altitude), X-rays, (airrport security), microwaves, (radar), and frequent changes in effective altitude via cabin pressurisation will aggrevate any existing pumonary or circulitory condition.
 
Yep, I had no idea that it was the most dangerous occupation.
Man, I should charge more. Or become a fed or something.

(tree care professional- not quite a timber worker, but add in a homeowner who wants to watch or take part {!!}, and it gets really dangerous.)
 
This doesn't look good for me and logging.

I've also done roofing and drove truck. I don't need more guns to protect my life when I'm very likely to die on the job anyway I guess. :)
 
I wonder if their "Pilots" category includes military pilots? Given the number of accidents in training, that would certainly raise the figures a bit.
 
Man, I should charge more. Or become a fed or something.
Or become a wild-land firefighter?

They actually get paid something - especially the private contractors. :cool:

If I was young again, I think I might try that - just to make some real money for a while if nothing else.

The trouble with the timber business now is that work comp is so high that the cutters don't get paid enough so they have to work longer hours so they have more accidents so the work comp rates go up so ....... :rolleyes:

Besides, most outfits are going to mechanical harvesting anymore anyway.

Back during the time when you could still freelance with saw, I never worked more than 6 hours a day.


The difference between logging and police is that nothing out in the woods is really trying to get you - just a bunch of inanimate hazards that you look out for all the time, or else you get hurt or die.
 
I don't know if it's raw numbers or the rate, but I've always read that being a fireman is more dangerous than being a cop, insofar as comparing municipal employees.

I see some comparison between police and pilots: Long periods of "boredom" (actually, "routine") punctuated by moments of raw terror. It's the instant and unexpected change that can be nerve-wracking.

:), Art
 
what keeps bugging me is the number of workers who keep getting killed in unreinforced trenches.
cave ins in ten foot deep holes, stuff like that.
really stupid.

also will be interesting to see china's figures on labor, and worse, cancer caused by labor/factories.

not at all suprised about the pilots, always hearing about small plane crashes.

but the Timber people= well i dont feel bad. these guys destroy the land. it is not suprising at all the big timber co.s dont do enough to protect workers.
maybe you think it will all grow back, or "we need the jobs"

sure. lots of people needed lots of jobs. my dad worked in defense for 30 years and the industry crumbled. he had to start over. people do it all the time, but lumber people are too lazy to learn a different skill.
it makes me absolutely SICK to drive around in nor Cal, OR, WA, MT.

all because yuppies want bigger houses , more junk.
 
thorn, and I suppose that you live in a cave, right ...? :rolleyes:
And I don't suppose you ever use toliet paper ???????????

but lumber people are too lazy to learn a different skill.
I resent that deeply, because when my health failed I went back to school and that's why I'm sitting here working on software for jet engines.

but the Timber people= well i dont feel bad. these guys destroy the land
So it's okay to rejoice in people dying or getting hurt because of your environazism...? :barf:


:cuss:
 
I don't think I ever heard a cop refer to their profession as "the most dangerous", merely that it was dangerous. Which, frankly, it is. Also, on the job cop deaths are likely to be from one of two sources: homicide and MV accident. A great deal of those MV accidents (I have no idea of the %) are responding to calls for service, and the other category is due to direct hostile action by a violent person.

At the end of the day, a whole lot of people, employed in various ways, die by accident, and a whole lot of cops die at the hands of murderers*. I'm not saying that this makes the deaths of either category any more or less tragic- it is what it is. We have a need to slap a label on things, I guess.

* note the statistical chicanery involved in the cops v salesmen issue. 1. 'Salesmen' is an aggregate category, lumped together to make a large group. Define salesman: anyone who sells anything. Talk about broad. Define cop: a sworn law enforcement officer. Talk about narrow. 2. Whereas before we were talking rates, in this section we're discussing raw numbers of deaths....and 'salesmen' far outnumber cops. Compare apples to apples...show the rate. Whats the rate of salesmen murdered each year? .0000HowManyZeros?00001%?

Mike
 
thread hijack underway. timbercutters cut what the logging operations tell them to cut and if you read the history of PALCO you realize that until the wall street abitragers took over the company on a leveraged buyout, some of the lumber companies were responsible.......

second, I spent a summer in Alaska working on a salmon boat and I understood it to be the most dangerous job in America. 22 hours of daylight no sleep and greasy wet slippery aluminum boats in rolling seas and heavy equipment and outfits that weighed more wet than your PFD could support, gee was I upset when i realized that that segment of the industry wasw actually one of the safest. The north atlantic guys and the winter King and Snow crabers die at a higher rate. But the die off of the North Atlantic fisheries and has reduced that rate... although another Glochester boat went down over the weekend. five more boys went down to the sea and did not return...
 
The difference between the dangers of being a police man or a fireman and another job is easy to see. If you our a LEO or Fireman and you get hurt or killed on the job it is National News. If you our one of us other mutts and something happens your lucky if it gets in the local paper. Not to say their isn't any danger in their job. Trouble after 15 years of being a Structural Ironworker I could never see their danger in the same leauge I was working in
 
Art,

OT.

I think that "anesthesiologist" can be grouped with "police" and "pilot" in that there are long periods of routine coupled with moments of terror and action. The LEO, pilot, and anesthesiologist are working hard during the time of "boredom" to prevent the moments of frenzy.

Sliding into an operating room is like getting on an airplane. You don't really know that guy in charge in the front, and you're pretty sure everything will be OK in the end, but you sure do hope he's good if something does go wrong.

The difference is, the anesthesiologist doesn't go down in flames alongside you if something goes wrong! :D

P.
 
Yeah, Poplin, I hear that...

Advice to puddle-jumper pilots: Avoid cumulo-granite.

Thorn, you need to learn more about timbering. Trees grow. Trees die. Trees get replanted. Methodology of harvest can be bad, of course; it's harmful to clearcut on steep slopes, for example. In more gently rolling country, 20 to 50 years after a clearcut one is hardput to even know harvesting had occurred--which means the issue is aesthetics, not ecology.

Back to the thread: Any one policeman is more likely to die as a result of wilful human action than any one salesman. Even a cop's car wreck results from instigation by another.

It seems to me that the numbers are less important than the meaning of the numbers or the comparisons between the nature of the jobs themselves.

Art
 
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