Thinking about IDPA

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I stopped my a local indoor range and saw that they have IDPA matches about every month. I was thinking that this would really be a good way to improve my pistol skills and give me more versatility engaging targets and shooting on the move.

What are your likes and dislikes about IDPA?
If I were to compete I would use my Kimber Pro Carry II. Any suggestions on equipment (holsters, belts, mag carriers, etc.)?

Thanks for your input.
 
I would suggest doing as I did and read the entire rule book. I am also an aspiring IDPA shooter though I am aiming towards revovler shooting.

http://www.idpa.com/Documents/IDPARuleBook2005.pdf

Other than that, your Kimber will land you in Enhanced Service Pistol which is a highly competitive class. You need a concealment holster of some type which will allow the pistol to be concealed when worn and suitable magazine carriers that are also concealed. From what I have read, pancake designs are generally well accepted and practical.
 
I'm a great fan of IDPA (and a Match Director, so maybe I'm biased).

Perhaps the greatest benefit to average Joe shooters is that it is a fantastic opportunity to develop and practice your gun-handling and manipulation skills in a mildly stressed situation with some time pressure.

When you consider the standard model for most shooters' practice routine (if they have one) which is to go to the range, stand at the bench, unbox their gun, and fire a box of ammo from a static position at a bullseye target ... that doesn't teach you much about how to "run" that gun in response to a sudden, dynamic, mobile situation, or how to draw and present that gun smoothly, how to smoothly perform a reload off your belt, how to shoot leaning, laying down, moving, backing up, and so forth.

IDPA is NOT "training" for self-defense or "tactical" operations -- there is so much else that goes into the skillset of being ready to defend your life that a match/game format cannot even touch on.

However, the familiarization with your equipment -- working with a system of holster, gun, magazines, covering garments, and your own abilities and limitations -- while moving, using cover, engaging targets that don't all just hang there at 15 yards on a target carrier -- is something that "most" shooters don't avail themselves of.

Now, a serious gun carrying type might spend a day each month (or a night each week for some of us) setting up scenarios where he/she has to respond quickly, draw a gun from a concealment holster, make a shooting retreat to cover, engage multiple moving targets, reload, shoot in odd positions, etc. But that is a LOT of effort and I can count on the fingers of one hand how many shooters I've seen do this (at my range at least) in the last few years.

But with IDPA, the nice guys (like me! :)) who take days each month to develop and set up a handful of such scenarios are absolutely thrilled for you to come out and wring out your carry gear, figure out what of your skills work well and which you need to develop more -- and have a great time -- without much personal effort (unless you're gracious enough to come out and help set up & tear down) and at little cost.

Remember, you can run IDPA as a game -- trying to beat your own scores or those of your buddies -- or you can run it as a practice session, using your real-world gear and ammo and trying to address the "threats" as you really would on the street. That choice is up to you.

And also remember, don't get too bogged down by the rules. They all exist for one reason or another, and those reasons may not be immediately apparent to you. If you run afoul of them, just say "ok, thanks" and move on. As long as you're safe, no one cares.

Try it out and let us know what you think!
 
Equipment: For a 1911, I use a very basic DeSantis Speed Scabbard (pancake style) holster, but there are dozens of designs that would work well. For mag carriers, I use an extremely cheap FOBUS double mag pouch that has worked just fine for years.

A decent gun belt is always a very good idea. I like the Wilderness "Instructor" series, but a heavy leather belt works just as well. Many say the belt is more important than the holster.

I wouldn't worry about being in a "super competitive" category. Your first year out or so you aren't going to be beating the local pros. Just have as much fun as you can, listen very carefully to the safety instructions, and shoot your personal best!
 
I guess I did mean to make the Enhanced Service Pistol category sound intimidating. I was just stating that it was very competitive.

If you go with the mindset to beat your own personal best then you are only competing with yourself which I have found to be the best competition there ever has been or can be.
 
Remember, you can run IDPA as a game -- trying to beat your own scores or those of your buddies -- or you can run it as a practice session, using your real-world gear and ammo and trying to address the "threats" as you really would on the street. That choice is up to you.

And also remember, don't get too bogged down by the rules. They all exist for one reason or another, and those reasons may not be immediately apparent to you. If you run afoul of them, just say "ok, thanks" and move on. As long as you're safe, no one cares.

This is all true.

What I like about IDPA is first off the people, the casual environment, and the scenarios.

My biggest dislikes are the rules, the rule book, and IDPA headquarters. For the casual shooter this is of little consequence.

Whether you're shooting just to spend a day at the range making noise, practicing with your every day carry gear, or trying to be competitive, IDPA can be a lot of fun. Just listen to the briefing, decide how you want to engage the stages, and do your own thing.

When I run newbies, over the first few stages I'll just give them a short heads up about which common-sense rule they broke and why the rule is there. Like breaking cover, reload in the open, failing to engage target in the order they saw them etc etc.

IDPA is very forgiving if you just shoot and don't think about it too much. But people get in trouble sometimes because they over think it and try to game the stage without knowing all the rules. That'll get you dinged every time :)
 
The competition in any given division really depends on who shows up. The gear difference especially between ESP and SSP is so small that it is 95+% about the shooter if both are using gear that is as fast as the rules allow. CDP isn't far behind, but is at a capacity disadvantage to the 9mm divisions. Then revolvers are off doing their own thing. For starters, don't worry about what division you are in or how competetive it might be; just show up to a match with gear that roughly meets what you read is needed here, and the match administrators will place you. After a handful of matches you will have a much better idea of what division you would like to shoot and what tweaks to your gear might be needed to stay legal and meet your personal goals.

As someone who shoots IDPA as often as possible:

What I like:

1) Especially if you happen to commit to shooting as well as you can, it can take your gun handling abilities to levels you never thought possible. I wouldn't stop short of saying that the average square range shooter like Sam described cannot comprehend or imagine the level of familiarity, skill, and speed present in the top shooters until they are exposed to it.

2) For the mostpart, I like the gear rules. If you get into it you will hear some whining from time to time, and no set of rules is perfect, but IDPA does a better job than anything else I'm aware of keeping the gear at least somewhat semi-related to real carry gear, which I enjoy. The biggest difference between my carry gun and competition gun is the sight radius. The rest of the gear is a different story for me, but the competition gear is still not that far off from what some people carry in the "winter". A nice side effect is that IDPA gear is relatively cheap compared to true dedicated race gear used in some other games.

3) I like the competition; at this point in my IDPA experience that is a large contributing factor to why I am there. It doesn't have to be that way for everyone and didn't start off that way for me, so just take your time on that front.

4) I've met some great people who I consider friends in IDPA.

Some stuff I don't like:

1) There are some specific rules about stage design I don't particularly like.

2) I wish they would open up large matches to performance based prize slotting; I think this would drive up the level of shooter who comes out to a major match and would also likely drive up the quality of sponsorship present.

3) I wish they would add some kind of tournament style infrastructure to qualify for the nationals (coming from someone who has never shot the nationals).

The second two especially are really of no concern to a new shooter though... best advice is to take your gear, go to a match, and have fun. You will know after the first match or two whether it is for you.
 
My advice: Don't put it off. Start showing up to matches as soon as possible. Go to your local fun store and grab a couple single stack mag holders and a kydex holder ( i would avoid extra retention features, remember your'e going for speed here), 150 rounds, and head to a match. Don't forget to bring a concealment garment that can cover all your stuff if you need to wear concealment on a stage.

YOu may want to just watch the first match or just watch a couple of the stages. Just let whoever is running it know you're new and they'll take care of ya, we love new people! You help keep us going! So don't be intimidated by it its fun. You'll get to watch other people do the stages first so watch closely and learn.

Above all, remember you're basic safety and have fun!
 
A Kimber 1911 would be best in CDP, not ESP.

Go, man. They will have you shooting in situations that you just can't duplicate on a square range.

Now, listen to Sam. When Sam talks, consider him EF Hutton--listen. That was excellent advice and I concur 100%.
 
Lots of good information here, I won't try to add to the general stuff.

Before you open the rule book, go to:
http://www.gadpa.com/index.php/ipda/new-shooter-briefing/
to read the text and watch the video.
THEN read the rule book, it will make more sense.

As with any other modern activity, there are videos all over the place.
You can watch matches of all levels of complexity and shooters of all levels of skill.

Repeat, this is NOT training. We match directors (MD) and safety officers (SO) are putting on a safe, enjoyable, competitive event. We assume and expect that you know how to manage your handgun. You will go beyond the basic functions of loading, aiming, and firing.
Just to start with, you must be able to load your gun and get it in the holster UNDER CONCEALMENT without sweeping yourself or others.
You must then be able to draw the gun from UNDER CONCEALMENT without getting tangled up.
You must be able to execute the course of fire (CoF) safely. Lots of things to do here that have been mentioned and that you can see in pictures. This calls for attention to the course description and enough focus and memory to do it correctly and safely.
You must be able to assume various firing positions, move safely with gun in hand, and reload under time pressure.

Most of this stuff can be practiced dryfire at home.
It is common for the usual rent-a-lane range to ban drawing from a holster, to limit the rate of fire, and of course have no provision for multiple targets or shooter movement. So you gotta do that stuff at home WITH AN EMPTY GUN. Just getting in and out from under a concealment garment is best practiced empty until you learn the technique.
Your family will think you eccentric when they see you doing a series of draws against a target on the wall and you will really look strange kneeling behind your easy chair snapping in at the villains on TV. But it all helps.
 
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I'm a gamer. I shoot IDPA to win. I like to walk the line with the rules, just for the fun of it. I've been shooting competitively for about a year now, planning on making SSP/EX at the next classifier.

Dont stress too much about what you NEED before you shoot a match. Grab some ammo, mags, pistol, and holster, and go shoot. See what the other people are shooting, ask them questions. They are all gun guys like you and I, and like us, they love to talk about their equipment...lol
 
Well, I'm going to do it. All I need is a mag carrier. I just printed the Rule Book, so I'll have some light reading tonight. Thanks for the encouragement.

Any pointers that will help me not look like so much of a "newbie" are welcome!
 
Honestly, I wouldn't spend too much money on a mag carrier until you get a couple matches under your belt. Grab a $6 one from CDNN, or just stuff them in your belt until you see what others are using.
 
What can you do to not look like a newbie?

Be slow, precise, and cautious about the safety rules. Don't touch your gun until told to do so by the SO. Make yourself relax and don't try to set any speed records.

Looking like you're new to this sport is fine. Looking like a newbie -- nervous, tunnel-visioned, over-eager, trying to run too fast for your skill/experience level, and unclear on safety procedures -- is not fine.

Smile and relax. The only way you'll impress anyone at all is with how safe you are!
 
Alright, fine! I bought a daul mag carrier on my lunch and started practicing mag changes and reload with retention when i got home from work.

I'll let you know how my first match goes...
 
IDPA is great experience, great training, to get out of the box from just target shooting if you are interested in carrying a gun for self-defense. The rules, time-factor, and audience all help add to simulated stress. You get to move around, practice reloads, shoot around and thru obstacles.

It's just a good training tool IMO. And yes, I've found the people involved very nice and very helpful.
 
I shoot IDPA, USPSA, ICORE and SASS matches. I have fun at all of them. In IDPA you get a chance to shoot on the move, shoot moving targets, shoot around barriers, strong hand and weak hand, reload on the clock, kneeling, a lot more than just standing in one spot at the range shooting a target.
One drawback of IDPA is that some of the things that impact the fair competiton between shooters are very subjective calls. The proper use of cover is the one that many shooters have an issue with. It just is not called consitantly all the time. Nothing would be perfect, but I've seen some rediculous examples of how one squad will be expected to use cover and how another squad is allowed to shoot. Unfortunatley, this is sometimes most obvious at the bigger matches when some people shoot the match the day before most of the other competitors. But, I don't let that stop me from getting out there and competing.
 
I starting IDPA real soon , I had to make few changes thinner grips and make the backstrap a little more sensitive. My hand comes off the backstrap when I disengage the thumb safety. I forgot I have a SA 1911, I'm just going to go for it. Wish you luck. What the hell. I have made myself totally insane on what to do. Save some time just go after it.
 
The biggest things to keep in mind are, to be safe and have fun. ALWAYS keep the muzzle pointing down range, keep your finger off the trigger while moving, etc. Try and read as much of the rules as you can before your first match, so you understand things like mag capacity for your class, allowed reloads, use of cover, tactical priority, range commands and what is expected of the shooter for each (VERY important), etc. If you're shooting CDP, make sure you have a "Barney mag" so you can top off.Make sure you tell the Match Director this is your first match, and be sure to ask questions if you dont understand something.

Be safe and have fun!
 
First IDPA Experience

I shot in my first IDPA match today, and had a blast, excuse the pun. :)

It was a BUG Match, designed to be shot with a Back-Up Gun, so the stages were designed so as not to disadvantge people, like me, who shoot a 5-shot revolver as a BUG. People could shoot their regular guns, too, but there were a couple of restrictions in a stage where they had to only load five rounds to start, then they could reload a full mag. There was only one scenario where I needed a full fifteen rounds, a full cylinder and two reloads, to complete. I made a couple of newbie errors, like not taking full advantage of "cover" once, and accidentally dumping the cartridges from a speedloader before it was seated in the cylinder, once, but at least I didn't repeat any mistakes. I think I'll be using my Glock for the next one. My gun club holds IDPA the first Saturday of the month, and now that I've been through the New Shooter orientation and fired a round, I've sent in my IDPA membership application, so I'll be ready for the next match.
 
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