Thinking about starting to hunt, advice? (Northern Virginia)

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So, I'm thinking about maybe hunting this deer season, and I need a little advice.

I am in Northern Virginia, and I know that I need to take a basic course and get a license. Anybody know good areas around here, and when deer season starts and ends? Is 7.62x54R legal for deer? Is it good? Can a non-sporter Nagant be used? What equipment should I get, assuming that I will not be tree-stand hunting? Any advice would be good, and thanks in advance.
 
Can't speak for your area, but a well placed round of 7.62 Russian should be able to kill almost anything that walks this continent. And your Nagant should be an acceptable hunting weapon, though not ideal. That being said, remember that you don't need 1/2 MOA accuracy to kill deer - just a rifle that you shoot well. You only need to get the bullet within an area about the size of a football to get the job done.
 
go to wal-mart or wherever you buy your license and get one of the rules and regulations pamphlets. each county has its own regulations concerning which weapons you can use, etc. there are a lot of shotgun only counties
 
not sure of your background or what 'other' advice you are specifically seeking...

for equipment, be sure to have weather appropriate clothing. sure sucks to get so cold half your body goes numb and you are still a mile from the truck. uphill. 3 feet of snow on the ground...

also, you must not underestimate the importance of quality boots and socks. even if the weather is mild, your footwear can break a hunt.
 
also, for $3, you can get a national forest license that'll allow you to hunt in any of the national forests in VA, and since you're living in NoVA, the closest one is only about 2 hours, maybe less away. or, you can ask local land owners if you can hunt on their property. if you're allowed to hunt on private property, it's polite to offer some of your kill as thanks.
 
The NRA offers a hunter safety course for $5 (the price I paid 4 years ago).
Your rifle should be fine as long as you are comfortable with it. In Va, the legal minimum is a .24 caliber bullet for rifles, IIRC. The George Washington National Forest is about 2 hours from DC if you go down I66 (assuming no rush hour or traffic snarls). From my home in Manassas, I can get to my favorite area in the GWNF in about 1.5 hours. General Firearms for deer starts in mid Nov and runs till about thanksgiving in the National Forest. The season for private lands in Va varies, but is quite long away from major cities. Equipment needs are few if you're hunting from the ground. You don't need fancy calls, scents, clothes, etc. Just dress warmly and in earthtones if possible (don't forget your blaze orange though). Once you have your safety course cert in hand, you can purchase llicenses at any Wal-Mart, KMart, etc.

Chris
 
I agree with all of the above. Good luck with getting into the sport.
I would argue that hunting with a simple approach to use of scent attractants can be a real producer in some instances.

Mine is very simple.

Find a good crossing, say on an unused dirt road or even a path that can be shot over (good backstop). I put out some doe-in-heat-attractant on cotton balls or cloth swatches about 3 feet off the ground with consideration given to where the wind will carry the scent. No elaborate drag bags or drip contraptions etc or pads on you boots. #5 mm film cans make a good carrier for the cotton balls once dopped. Just cotton balls out just before day light and then get up in the tree stand and hope for a mild breeze.

When the sun comes up its amazing to watch the bucks come sneaking in. Young and sometimes old alike. This has worked for me even late in the season when the deer have seen people, and maybe been shot at.

S-
 
am I late?

I'd like to second the above, and to add--

You wrote, "Can a non-sporter Nagant be used?" I'm presuming here that you're asking because you already have one. If your local regs don't require shotguns, sure. I have a Mosin-Nagant 91/30. A "sporter" is just lighter and handier than a full-stocked military rifle. It might fit you better, it would be easier to carry for long distances, and it would likely have a lighter, smoother trigger. None of those are overwhelming problems {wait, let me put my firefighter's turnout gear on; I might get flamed for saying that}. Going hunting with what you already have is wonderful; it's miles better than not going.

Your full-size M-N might make it easier for you to hold steady with a deer in the sights. My heart pounds when it's time to take the shot; YMMV. The rifle's weight will soak up some recoil, too. Your rifle will have more recoil than some other deer rifles. Some big, tough guys hate recoil and some teenaged girls hardly notice it; there's not much of a pattern.

The 7.62 x 54R is in the .308/.303/.30-'06 class; these are higher-velocity cartridges than the .30-30s that have taken so many deer, but a very, very popular group of deer cartridges. Be sure to buy some good-quality hunting ammunition (Sellier & Bellot is one of the manufacturers of hunting cartridges in 7.62 x 54R, IIRC). Practice with it before you go hunting; know where your rifle groups with your hunting ammo. You DON'T want to use "hardball" (Full Metal Jacket) ammo for deer, ever.

I'm a big fan of taking the shot from as short a range as possible. Waiting, or sneaking closer, will tend to pay off. Use a tree, fence post or other rest if one is available when you're ready to take the shot. That's good sportsmanship, not poor sportsmanship. Ethics demand that one do everything that's possible to achieve a clean kill.
"If you can get closer, get closer. If you can get steadier, get steadier" (Col. Jeff Cooper).
Also, it's called hunting, not the long-distance championships. Practice beforehand to have a good idea of the distance at which you can hit reliably. Ignore the distances claimed by others; they're not taking your shot. I'm proudest of the shots I have taken up close; they mean I'm a hunter, not just a blaster. No offense is intended here to those who can reliably take long shots; getting close is a big thrill for me. I've shot highpower competition a couple of times, and my favorite stage is at the 600-yard line. I'd never try a shot at an animal at anything remotely like that distance. My favorite hunting shots have been those I've taken at 15 to 75 yards. Closer is better.

Get a simple, ordinary sling that feels comfortable to you. It doesn't need to be fancy or expensive. As a somewhat edge-of-the-curve example, my rig in very cold weather (hunting with family in the midwest, heavy woods, small, steep hills, and snow) is a piece of rope on a lever-action carbine. The rope works well on the heavy, insulated orange coveralls that I wear there. Does it look dorky and homemade? Sure! Do the deer notice? Nope.

Have someone show you the "hasty sling" method, and the easier ways to sling up from common carry positions. My M-N's too long for me to feel comfortable with "African carry" - rifle with muzzle down, behind the left shoulder (I'm right handed). I like African carry with carbines, and I'm tall, and I STILL watch the muzzle when I move, bend, crouch, walk on a side-hill, and ...

Some people don't like to use a sling when standing. I do, especially with the tree or fencepost that I mentioned above. A simple, ordinary sling is also good to have to carry your rifle across your back while you're hauling your deer (with tag and blaze orange attached) out of the woods. :)

Study deer anatomy. Talk to other hunters (especially older ones), maybe in your basic / hunter safety class, and to game officers. Find out about how the vital areas (especially heart, lungs and liver) of a three-dimensional deer look when it's broadside to you, or quartering away, and so forth. Understand that a fatally-hit deer can travel a ways; be prepared to follow until you find it. Expend every effort until you've located a deer you've hit.

NO WHITE CLOTHING! Especially no white handkerchiefs, no T-shirts visible at your neck, or the like. Even underwear - make sure that you cannot show a flash of white. Almost all hunters are fine people; that's irrelevant. It only takes one clown who doesn't follow safety rules to cause a tragedy and feed the anti-gunners. (and I presume that you follow the Four Rules). [*steps off soapbox*] Remember your blaze orange and don't hesitate to wear more orange than is required. Deer don't have good color vision; they're great at seeing movement.

It doesn't hurt to take an extra, empty gatorade bottle to pee in instead of watering the bushes; a deer's sense of smell is acute, too. Yup, tear off any bottle labels with white on the back. A game officer here told me last weekend that a guy had once been shot in this state when he opened up a pack of Marlboros (in that instance, he was turkey hunting: don't want to wear white, red, black, or blue then - they're the colors of a turkey's head).

Water, a little extra food, and whatever's appropriate for being outdoors in a possibly-unfamiliar area (OT, but easy to find out). You didn't mention whether you're experienced in the woods. If so, you already know to tell someone where you'll be, and when to expect you back. Above all, keep asking questions, just as you're doing here. Different locales, different preferences, people who've had different things work well for them: it's all grist for the mill, and will help you to choose what works best for you.
 
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Chris,

If you're looking for a hunting buddy, give me a call. I've got a new 30-06 Remington 700 BDL and I'm thinking of getting an inline muzzleloader for the early season in November. I got a deer cart from Cabelas last year and it made a big difference not having to drag my harvested deer through the woods.

Ian
 
Start a Wal-mart, they have the 03-04 regs books out now. Most of Eastern VA is shotguns, bows and front-stuffers only, so if you think about hitting some of the public lands out on the Northern Neck you need one of those.

The Mosin is fine, just remember that FMJ is not only a bad idea for deer, it's against VA law. When I'm on private land back home I have carried a M-14 with a blocked mag, so nobody probably bat an eye at the Nagant.

I'd recommend starting in squirrel season. It opens in a couple of weeks and you can get out in the woods and get used to it.
 
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