This 1911 looks counterfeit to me...

[Steelharp]

http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=62221504

Frame rollmarks look wrong... both serial number, and US Property just look phony. What do the gurus think?

 

[buttrap]

Looks correct to me but I would say its a WW-2 refinished gun in Park. I belive you can the markings of the plant that did the work behind the trigger in the picture.

 

[BenjaminR]

How can it be manufactured in 1912 if it has 1913 stamped on the slide?

 

[Steelharp]

LOL... that's good... but, the UNITED STATE S PROPERTY font, spacing, and placement look wrong to me... too far from the edge of the dustcover... and the "o" in NO should be small and up... and the numbers are too far apart... right?

 

[vanfunk]

The frame is not a Colt. It is a WWI Remington-UMC frame with a Colt slide from 1918. It'd be a good buy for a shooter at $650, but I don't think it's worth much more than that.

HTH,
vanfunk

 

[Bill73]

The gun (frame) is a 1918 Remington Arms-UMC and the inspector initials of EEC confirm that. The barrel is Colt WWII. I don't see any Arsenal Rebuild marks, so I guess Bubba put the parts together. in his garage.

 

[Old Fuff]

Besides what others have noted, I believe that the original serial number was polished off and a new one stamped onto the frame. It may or may not be the same as what was on the gun, (I didn't bother to look it up) but given the circumstances I wouldn't touch this gun with a ten foot pole.

 

[Tim Burke]

According to my copy of Clawson's book, the SN should be late 1912 for a Colt. However, the "O" in No. 16442 should be smaller, elevated, and underlined. I agree that the digits are spaced widely, and the font looks off.
The letters in the "UNITED STATES PROPERTY" also look a little widely spaced for Colt. They seem to start in the correct place. Most of the pictures I have of Colt 1911s after SN 83 show the "Y" falling right at the posterior edge of the slide stop notch. However, the Remington-UMC frames look like this one.
The "Model of 1911 U.S.Army" is in block style type, which wasn't used until after SN 178000.
The slide stop appears correct for 1911-1923.
Inspector's mark is from Edmund E. Chapman, who inspected Remington Arms-UMC from Aug 1918 to Jun 1919, SNs 1-21676.
If the SN is original, and I haven't seen enough photos of Remington-UMCs to have an opinion on that, it's a 1919 Remington UMC frame and a post 1917 Colt slide.

 

[Bill73]

According to Clawson the number is correct for a 1919 REM-UMC (13382-21676) with a total of 8295 made in that year. I made a mistake in the above post of 1918. I had a REM-UMC for a few years but resently sold it on GB.

Still have my SA 1915.

 

[Bill73]

If it were a complete gun, REM-UMC, it would look like this.

 

[Steelharp]

I also put this on 1911forum, and Tim came to the rescue there, as well...

http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?p=1398159&posted=1#post1398159

Old Fuff, Bill73, thanks for the addition... you guys are the best!

 

[El Tejon]

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