Oh my... I doubt the mods wanna open that can of worms... And guns don't get offended if you don't like the one you brought home!
This is my beloved son, with whom I am well pleased...
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"Father" had that discussion, and he was encouraged to give some thought to the gun. Though he shot it better (not great), it felt awkward compared to his XD. Hopefully he wiill find a way to shoot the XD9 prior to purchasing it.I would have hoped that father and son would both have learned something from the son's G19 experience!He shoots the Glock great, then goes for an XD...yeah, that's the ticket!
ch45x7
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My very first handgun was an XD45 4". I went against my instincts of getting a 1911, and boy was I wrong. At 50' I was lucky to hit paper (not even the target, just paper) 2x out of 10. Sold it and switched to a 1911, same distance 8 out of 10 in the black. At the time WWB 45 was $20 at walmart, 9mm was $16 and there was plenty of both. Now I have 2 45's and 2 9mm's and when I can find ammo they are about the same price. I prefer the push of the 45 over the snap of the 9mm, but both are great rounds!
I still can't hit anything with any XD I've tried, no idea why.
I prefer the push of the 45 over the snap of the 9mm, but both are great rounds!I still can't hit anything with any XD I've tried, no idea why.
RetiredUSNChief
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Heh!
I remember my first pistol...an AMT Automag II (.22 WMR). I could pop the head on a squirrel at 75 feet with my rifle, but I couldn't hit squat with my pistol! It took me quite a bit of practice to get the control down pat...though some would say that it didn't take too long because I tended to shoot a LOT whenever I went out target shooting. So a couple-three days in total was all it took. But my pistol was most certainly "broken in" at the end of that time! And I continued to increase my proficiency afterwards, of course.
Your son, I think, would have done just as well with his .45 if he had actually taken the time to practice from the ground up, using good techniques, concentrating on learning how to maintain a good sight picture, good trigger control...and having the patience to shoot like he had to make every shot count.
It just would have cost him more in .45 than, say, 9mm. But then, I suspect by the time he learned that with his co-worker he had probably already spent all the money required on .45 ammunition that would have been necessary for that.
Looks like your son finally took some good advice to heart from someone else. Sometimes that's what it takes...an outside agency.
Lord knows I've a daughter like that. She's just learned the hard way that summer school is a reality for her this year for math. Talk about upset! Part of her schooling will involve a tutor, which my wife questioned the necessity of because she feels our daughter does well when I work with her. I told her that a tutor is an outside authority that would bring a different level of respect from her than a parent would. Sometimes that's what it takes.
I remember my first pistol...an AMT Automag II (.22 WMR). I could pop the head on a squirrel at 75 feet with my rifle, but I couldn't hit squat with my pistol! It took me quite a bit of practice to get the control down pat...though some would say that it didn't take too long because I tended to shoot a LOT whenever I went out target shooting. So a couple-three days in total was all it took. But my pistol was most certainly "broken in" at the end of that time! And I continued to increase my proficiency afterwards, of course.
Your son, I think, would have done just as well with his .45 if he had actually taken the time to practice from the ground up, using good techniques, concentrating on learning how to maintain a good sight picture, good trigger control...and having the patience to shoot like he had to make every shot count.
It just would have cost him more in .45 than, say, 9mm. But then, I suspect by the time he learned that with his co-worker he had probably already spent all the money required on .45 ammunition that would have been necessary for that.
Looks like your son finally took some good advice to heart from someone else. Sometimes that's what it takes...an outside agency.
Lord knows I've a daughter like that. She's just learned the hard way that summer school is a reality for her this year for math. Talk about upset! Part of her schooling will involve a tutor, which my wife questioned the necessity of because she feels our daughter does well when I work with her. I told her that a tutor is an outside authority that would bring a different level of respect from her than a parent would. Sometimes that's what it takes.
I had shot an XD several years ago... did ok, but nothing great. In the last outing, I actually shot as well with my son's XD as I do my Ruger, though I have very little experience with it. Guess that's why they makes 'em different, eh?
We ran out of ammo before I thought to look at his grip and talk to him about sight picture, etc. I agree.. I think I could've improved his groups a little with work on his techniques. He admitted the grip I showed him helped with control when shooting with his coworker.
I still think once things return to "normal" (if that's possible), he'll get a lot more trigger time with a 9mm and will improve even more.
My wife swore she wasn't flinching - until I left two spent cartridges in the .38 Airweight revolver....and then she could SEE the flinch!
I often take a Ruger 22/45 with a VQ trigger group to the range with my "big guns". It'll hone a fine edge on your skillset!
I often take a Ruger 22/45 with a VQ trigger group to the range with my "big guns". It'll hone a fine edge on your skillset!
Officers'Wife
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Perhaps he could find an adapter for the weapon that would allow him to practice with .22rf then switch over to .45?
peacemaker45
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The first step is to get the bullet in the right place. Only then should you worry about the size of the hole it makes when it gets there. If tilting the gun size to bullet size ratio further in the direction of the gun helps get the bullets in the right place, then by all means, do so.
I got the point, I was just like your son.. Buying big caliber handguns and not being able to shoot them worth a squat or afford to shoot them.. I finally listened to my dad and started shooting the smaller calibers and boom,I could suddenly shoot tighter groups..now my favorite pistol and the one I always shoot is my g17
I'm not going to start any kind of a "caliber war" discussion here, either...just gonna add my 2 cents. Everybody's got an opinion, right?
I don't have a "dog" in this fight (reference my "Snow White and the Seven Dwarves" ditty). I'm all for a person carrying and using whatever they feel confidence in. All I can say is that I can handle a good bit of handgun recoil, but at my age (51) I don't have an ego investment about how "big and badd" a round is that I might shoot (or own a pistol in). And you can't miss fast enough to win, we all know that.
But we also all know that "serious stopping power begins with calibers that start with a 4"...or so some people have told us. What good is your .4 when your .4 hits 0 times, however? We big stud cowboys don't like to admit that some guns are just too big for us to handle and that we don't really like to shoot them, either because they cost too much or kick harder than we can control. Somehow, "I shoot a big bad .45" sounds more "masculine" than "I shoot a medium, soft-shooting 9". Anything wrong with either gun? Nope.
When you get old enough, you don't have anything left to prove. You don't have to have the fastest car, the toughest horse, the spiciest jalapeno, or the most powerful gun. Age has a way of leveling things and making you more realistic about life.
If I am going to shoot something with a little "hurt" on me or my pocketbook, that hurt had better be necessary for the occasion...otherwise, I don't want to be bothered. I'm glad the young man has the right gun for his needs. He would be a lot more fearsome foe for any badman than any "macho dude" with a gun too large to handle.
I don't have a "dog" in this fight (reference my "Snow White and the Seven Dwarves" ditty). I'm all for a person carrying and using whatever they feel confidence in. All I can say is that I can handle a good bit of handgun recoil, but at my age (51) I don't have an ego investment about how "big and badd" a round is that I might shoot (or own a pistol in). And you can't miss fast enough to win, we all know that.
But we also all know that "serious stopping power begins with calibers that start with a 4"...or so some people have told us. What good is your .4 when your .4 hits 0 times, however? We big stud cowboys don't like to admit that some guns are just too big for us to handle and that we don't really like to shoot them, either because they cost too much or kick harder than we can control. Somehow, "I shoot a big bad .45" sounds more "masculine" than "I shoot a medium, soft-shooting 9". Anything wrong with either gun? Nope.
When you get old enough, you don't have anything left to prove. You don't have to have the fastest car, the toughest horse, the spiciest jalapeno, or the most powerful gun. Age has a way of leveling things and making you more realistic about life.
If I am going to shoot something with a little "hurt" on me or my pocketbook, that hurt had better be necessary for the occasion...otherwise, I don't want to be bothered. I'm glad the young man has the right gun for his needs. He would be a lot more fearsome foe for any badman than any "macho dude" with a gun too large to handle.
Officers'Wife
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Fathers, like kings, are not always wise they are sometimes just there.Point is .. Listen to your daddy.. He knows much more then you..
That said, my little Commander is .38 Super. It's not my father's pistol. But my father can put a ball in the target at 50 yards with his pistol and I cannot. With the .38 Super I can. As my late uncle used to say, a .22 ball through the brain beats a .45 ball through the drywall.
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