This is some real good bump firing.

[Wes Janson]

It seems to me that the issue at heart isn't that the little girl was killed by irresponsible shooting so much as that they broke Rule 4. This might be unpopular, but personally I'd say the irresponsible thing is shooting a weapon outdoors with houses and people well within the maximum range of the projectile, downrange. It didn't need be a Hellfire or bump firing that could have caused that death, it might just as easily been under different circumstances a ricochet, or an AD/ND.

We obviously don't have any way of knowing what sort of range these people were on, whether it had an adequate safe zone behind the berm or not. So then why be so quick to claim their behavior was dangerous? For all we know, the next ten miles downrange consisted of nothing but forest. Focus on the true problems, and don't assume that people are acting recklessly without proof.

 

[.cheese.]

Nothing wrong with bumpfiring so long as you do it in a safe place. Period.

I'm surprised to see so many of you getting upset over how bumpfiring gives the antis an excuse to take our semi-autos away because with bumpfiring people can mimic autos - when what you should really be upset about is that autos are illegal to citizens in the first place. That's where your problem lies.

 

[1911Tuner]

re:

Mudpuppy...exactly my point. Rule 4: Be sure of your target and what lies beyond it.

When you're firing a fairly powerful rifle at 600-650 rpms, it climbs. It torques to the right, if it has a RH twist. If we understand that .005 inch of movement at the front sight will move the POI an inch at 100 yards...and the rifle climbs a foot above the POA...how far over a 5-foot berm will the round fly? It's easy to put two or three over the top to God-knows-where...and when a man only has one hand with a firm grip on the rifle...it can climb to a foot or more above POA in quick-time. He has to be lucky with every round that goes out of the backstop. He only has to be unlucky once.

 

[SB88LX]

Shape of mag, amount of recoil, my guess is 5.45x39, not 7.62.

 

[Sharps-shooter]

I had this rifle that I had just gotten, and my woman and I were trying it out. I fired a group, adjusted the sights, fired another group, checked it out, and fired a couple more shots. Then I gave the rifle to her.

She pointed it, and pulled back on the trigger, and sent twelve rounds flying into the backstop, which was a tall bank (landscape feature, not financial institution). She said, innocently enough, that she didn't realize it was in full auto mode. This surprised me, because I didn't realize it was in full auto mode either. In fact, I was certain that this particular rifle was not in full auto mode, and contained no such feature as full auto mode.

I checked the little switch, which was pointed at "fire" rather than "safe", and then i reloaded. She said she had done it just by holding back the trigger, so I made sure to hold back the trigger this time. It went bang, once, and that was it.

I asked her if she would do the trick again, but she wouldn't. Not sure if she accidentally bump fired it, or did it on purpose and tried to be funny about it.

 

[PotatoJudge]

The problem doesn't sound like it's the bump firing, it sounds like it's the prohibition of full-autos (gives you that extra hand to hold tight with).

Us: Well then, automatic weapons should be legal!
Them: See, semi-automatics are too dangerous for people to own. Think of the children! -dialing the BATFE, who they have on speed dial-

I don't think we'd win that one right now.

On the other hand, stop exercising your rights and you'll lose them. Just be safe, and don't post evidence of anything that makes us look bad.