This past Saturday night...

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ojibweindian

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What a weekend.

All day Saturday, there were two young men riding ATVs on the rural road where I live. They were driving a bit fast, but since my grandchildren and children were away for the weekend, I had no problems.

Later on, roughly 9:30 PM, my wife was getting a bit annoyed. She was wanting to go to bed, but found that difficult because the two men were still riding. During the day, the sound of a racing ATV engine isn't too terribly distracting. At bedtime, it's downright infuriating.

Anyway, she goes to the edge of the road, flags one of the men down, and asks them to please stop as it's late, she's got to get up early, and there are others who work weekends also needing to sleep.

She gets a bit of guff (a few wisecracks), but they stop.

Well, they stopped till about 11:00 PM, anyways. I went to bed at 10:30. At 11:00, my wife and I hear those ATV engines straining again. We're tossing and turning for about an hour, praying that they'll stop racing around the area. After an hour, there's no let-up, and my wife and I were fed up.

So, I get out of my PJs and put on a pair of jeans and an untucked T-Shirt. I always carry while around the house (actually, I carry just about everywhere), so I place my pistol in the holster already on my belt, then covered the pistol and holster with the shirt tail. Before going outside, I told my wife to call the sherrif's department and tell them about the noisy ATVs.

I went outside, and shouted to get the attention of the riders (the noise of the ATVs required this for me to be heard). Apparently, one of the men took umbrage.

He ran up to the edge of the road and began screaming at me. I yelled back, telling him that it was too late at night for such riding, and that the sherrif's department had been notified about the noise. That made things worse.

The man started ranting about me ruining their party and while doing so, started to make threats, beating on his chest, and gesticulating wildly. I told him that he and his friend needed to go home (both were not residents of the area) before the deputies got there. He continued blustering.

While he was doing this, I noticed his friend trying to sneak up on me from the shadows of some trees about 40' away and to my left. When I saw that, I retrieved my pistol from its holster and told him to "back the **** off right now". Fortunately, he did. There was about another 20 seconds of trying to tell both men to go home then I slowly, while facing the both of them, went back into the house to await the deputies. While I was slowly backing off, the two men were shouting from the street to come back so that they could show me how real men "kick ***".

I wanted none of that (just wanted to go to sleep), and fortunately, the two men returned to their host's house down the road. When the deputies arrived, my wife and I gave them a synopsis of events and a description of the two men. The deputies then went to the house the men were at to ascertain what happened. Apparently, there was a party a few houses down, the two men had been heavily drinking, and the occupants of the house, once they learned the sherrif's department had been called, quickly took their two guests home before the deputies arrived.

The deputies came back to my house, told my wife and I that things should be a lot calmer for the rest of the night. We thanked them for coming out, offered some coffee and when the deputies left, returned to bed. And true to their word, the sound of screaming ATVs was pleasantly absent for the rest of the night.
 
Before going outside, I told my wife to call the sherrif's department and tell them about the noisy ATVs.

Wouldn't "caught in the act" be better than "after the fact?" If you had decided to call the SO anyway, why increase the risk of something bad happening to you by going outside?

Better the deputies find the men operating motor vehicles under the influence and creating a disturbance than just having to take your word for it, I would think...

jmho,

lpl
 
ahh drunks and atv's

the two most annoying sounds in the world and at that time of night are the voices of loud drunks and the beelike buzz of Atv's.
You kept your cool a lot better than most!
I am not really as pleasant as you were when I am trying to sleep. :fire:
 
Not very smart. Mas described a situation somewhat similar to this in one of his articles in a gun mag recently. The fact that you went out there with a gun could be seen by the jury as "looking for trouble." In the article's case the jury did see it that way and the shooter received jail time. I don't think it's right. But it's reality.
 
Wouldn't "caught in the act" be better than "after the fact?" If you had decided to call the SO anyway, why increase the risk of something bad happening to you by going outside?

Better the deputies find the men operating motor vehicles under the influence and creating a disturbance than just having to take your word for it, I would think...

Excellent point. Didn't take that into consideration at the time. I'll definitely add that to the Lessons Learned column.
 
I don't know about your state, but in SC you can definitely get a DUI for being drunk on an ATV. If there's a next time, call the SD and let them handle it.

For some reason the mental image of a drunk dude trying to sneak through the woods is making me laugh.
 
Yeah

I think the first thing I would have done is phoned the police. Do this the very minute that the whole shebang started. Get the law involved early and on your side.

11:00 the riding started up again
11:01 Police notified.

I believe operating an ATV while drunk is still a DUI. Perhaps not, not sure of the law, but they would have been sleeping at the Greybar Hotel if it is illegal and you get a good nights sleep. They get massive fines and lots of trouble. A true win/win situation.

And you wouldn't have to go outside at all.
 
I would have just called the police and not said anything to them at all. The point is, they know that you called the police and some day, 2 years from now or something will get drunk again and nutty and try to take their revenge...
Or try too.

Talk to your neighbor (if you can) and make sure that he knows that they threatened you, your wife and were going absolutely batty. That will at least, change his opinion of the incident.

Make sure that you have some outside lights in place to light up your area, as well as a driveway alarm and some other goodies.
 
Better the deputies find the men operating motor vehicles under the influence and creating a disturbance than just having to take your word for it, I would think...

+1. If there are people being unsafe idiots like that, let them suffer the consequences of their actions.
 
any other neighbors in the vicinity you can confer with about the incident that may also have been put out by the ruckus? a united front against the party host might be a little helpful. plus, somebody to watch your back in the future (or your house when you're not home and vice versa)
 
any other neighbors in the vicinity you can confer with about the incident that may also have been put out by the ruckus? a united front against the party host might be a little helpful. plus, somebody to watch your back in the future (or your house when you're not home and vice versa)

I took care of that that same night. I went to one house to talk to the owner, and my wife talked to the other neighbor. We're all on the same page.
 
When you went back to your house after drawing the gun on them, did you get your AR ready to play hardball?
 
No, I didn't.

SHAME SHAME, know your name!

You should have strapped on your Kevlar vest and PASGT or ACH helmet with your AR and night vision goggles in case of counter attack by the tango's or charlie or hostiles (whatever they are called these days). You never know when someone is going to use diversionary tactics to gain an advantage!

:)
 
SHAME SHAME, know your name!

You should have strapped on your Kevlar vest and PASGT or ACH helmet with your AR and night vision goggles in case of counter attack by the tango's or charlie or hostiles (whatever they are called these days). You never know when someone is going to use diversionary tactics to gain an advantage!

:D

I've been properly chastened.
 
And if had to shoot, he could have disposed of them using his tactical wheelbarrow before SSS....:neener::neener::neener:

Springmom
 
Your biggest mistake was leaving the house with your gun. You should have stayed inside until the sheriff arrived. You were the armed aggressor. Your lucky the guy by the tree and his friend did not press charges against you for menacing with a gun. Think about it. Except for two drunks with beer muscles mouthing off and acting like tough guys, neither had a weapon that you were threatened with. You took it a few steps too far by drawing a firearm and threatening them. Hmmmm...I would not want to go to court on that one!
As I said before, your biggest mistake was leaving the house with your gun.

Here's something worth reading. Pay particular attention to Ability, Opportunity, and Jeopardy.

http://www.corneredcat.com/Legal/AOJ.aspx
 
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tpaw

He was trying to sneak up on me, unless crouching low and trying to stay in the shadows is just ambling along. And was tresspassing while doing so.
 
He was trying to sneak up on me, unless crouching low and trying to stay in the shadows is just ambling along. And was tresspassing while doing so.

I understand and empathize with you. Question, in your state is that reason for deadly physical force. Could you have retreated into your house. Remember, you were the aggressor and so was your wife. That would weight heavily on their side in court. All they did was act like jerks with ATV's until your wife, then you ( with a gun), went after them. After your wife called the sheriff's dept., both of you should have stayed in the house until they arrived. What if those two drunken jerks had guns and shot your wife, or you! And for what, think about it.
 
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I would say that one man raging in the middle of the street, making threats, while his partner is making an attempt to blind-side me, makes them the aggressors. I had not made any threats of physical violence, I did not assume a posture that could be construed as combative, and I wasn't screaming, or wildly gesticulating. My tone of voice was firm, assertive, and non-confrontational.

At the time the other man was attempting to blindside me, I could not tell if he had some sort of weapon in his hand. All I could definitely ascertain was that a man was 40' away and closing, where there shouldn't have been anyone. I could not simply assume that he was friendly, nor could I assume that he had no weapon.

Additionally, I was well within the boundary of my property, and Alabama is a Castle Doctrine state. I do have a legal right to be on my property, and I was not doing anything illegal. Also, until I saw the man attempting to blindside me, no one knew I even had a gun.

The one thing I would do differently would be as Lee stated, which would have been to call the SO, stay inside, and let them catch the men in the act. More than likely, I'll probably get a "do-over".
 
Better the deputies find the men operating motor vehicles under the influence and creating a disturbance than just having to take your word for it, I would think...
When I lived in a college town I called the police a time or two to ask them to have my drunken neighbors tone down the party. ATV's have to be bad but a bunch of drunk college students doing cannon balls and yelling all night sure gets on your nerves too. I believe in both instances it was about an hour before they were able to make it over. I would think a person in a rural area waiting for their county leos might be in for an even longer wait. I can understand wanting to take a shot that they're decent people and you might not wind up having to lay awake half the night on a work night.
 
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