This scares the crap outta me

[george29]

When I drink, I forget to be PC, so you get the "real me' and not the PC me. I feel for you, really, it's a crappy situation, other than putting her in a "Point-Blank Vest" you have no other choices, especially if you have no money. Dontcha see? I feel for 6 million Jews and another 8 million Homo's, Gypsies, Cripples and other "Undesireables", does that help anyone? If you are looking for solutions, and you're GF is unwilling to do her part to stay alive except by the good graces of God, if she trusts the "Law" to provide her with the comfort level she needs to go about her daily life, what more can you do besides :banghead: ? So what are you looking for here? A solution? If GF isn't in the game *** can you do? My ex is anti gun, threw me out, made sure to distance me from my kids so i can no longer protect them, and I can't protect them from where I am, so *** do I do? Open another keg, there's NOTHING I CAN do. Sounds to me like you're in the same boat, so get a keg and stop worrying. Want commiseration? Bring a keg I"ll give that to you too. Know what steve McQueen woulda told ya? "We deal in lead, friend." Life sometimes sucks, and being in love always sucks. Tonight I'm "The Curmudgeon", not George.

 

[kingpin008]

I think you're missing the point, but who knows, maybe I am. My Fiancee is new to guns, but she's completely in the boat as far as gun rights and defending herself go. She understands the right to self defense is not something she can have taken away, but I think you miss what I'm saying. If she carries in the courthouse, she runs the very, very, VERY real risk of being found out and arrested. And being that our state denies all but business owners and politicians the right to carry, she'd be in some deep, DEEP excrement if she were found to be carrying illegally. My GF is willing to defend herself, but she is also unwilling to lose the right to own a gun, let alone CARRY one down the line for disobeying the law now. She's not the problem here. I guess I maybe don't know what the problem really is, other than being in a state where I'm looked at like a psycho for owning a gun and following the rules. I'm not looking for commiseration. Heck, to be honest I don't think I'm even looking for that much in the way of suggestions. I just...when this happened, it was yet another example of how completely and totally our hands (and those of all gun owners in MD) are tied. It's amazingly frustrating to know that my future wife, the one human being in the world I would gladly die for if it meant her life, is forced to cowtow to the idiotic, dangerous, ppotentially lethal laws made by individuals who don't care whether we're good, lawful people or not.


Guh. Enough of this for tonight. Nothing good is going to come of it. For what it's worth, George - thank you for your comments, regardless of how they came off or how I interpreted them. I suppose that any discussion, even if it's one that gets you a little riled up is worthwhile as long as it stays at least mostly high-road. Enjoy your brew, and don't forget that glass of water and an aspirin before you sack out.

 

[jeepmor]

A swift kick in the family jewels stops any man in his tracks regardless of his resolve, that is just a fact of being a man.

A thick bodied pen to offer a good grip or a heavy stainless steel coffee mug with a handle sufficient to swing it real hard should do. Get clocked upside the head with that and you'd be stunned long enough for the bailliff to pounce hard.

Beyond that, everything else is out of your control so quit wasting your time on them IMO.

 

[george29]

KingPin, You are an officer and a gentleman (more than I can say about myself at times). Boy do I get "Honest" when drinking. I don't remember my philosophy courses too well but who was it that said (and I paraphase), "Conform, Die trying to make the change or get the heck out and don't come back"? One reason I won't return to Illinois is for those same reasons you mentioned the issues you face in MD.



"A swift kick in the family jewels stops any man in his tracks regardless of his resolve, that is just a fact of being a man.
A thick bodied pen to offer a good grip or a heavy stainless steel coffee mug with a handle sufficient to swing it real hard should do. Get clocked upside the head with that and you'd be stunned long enough for the bailliff to pounce hard."

Jeepmor, sorry to throw a bucket of cold water on you, but that is pure BS. Any Leo here (or Combat Soldier) will tell you that there are mental psycotic's that feel no pain and there are drug induced psychotics that not only feel no pain but are not even aware of what they are doing or what is happening to them. I retired before Taser's were issued so I don't know about them, but a person on drugs, a person with a very high level of alcohol in his blood and certain mental patients even not on drugs feel NO PAIN. In a rage, and I have been in fights where I found myself in a rage (A nicer way to put it is the Adrenaline Dump) where the guy I was trying to arrest was trying kill me and literally had my balls in his fist and although I felt what was going on, it did not stop me from eventually overpowering him and cuffing him (I wonder if my need for Viagra comes from that incident).

When I was a LEO, my nightmare was taken from one of the old Chuck Norris films where this guy just couldn't die or something like that (we discussed it on films a year ago or so). There are people very close to that.

Take a look at this KingPin and see if your gal can carry a Taser, this might work. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhkE3VTuPhk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JULNrvIFz3Q&mode=related&search=

go to YouTube and do a "taser" search.

 

[jeepmor]

george29, thanks for the real world accounts on the jewels issue. I'll keep that in mind. Do these psychotics respond to bullets the same? Hope not.

A pop to my jewels have always rendered me useless and doubled over for a spell. I've never had to fight for my life though.

Cold water splash taken, again, thanks for the real world honestly. Don't get a whole lot of that in todays PC climate.

 

[kbarrett]

A swift kick in the family jewels stops any man in his tracks regardless of his resolve, that is just a fact of being a man.

Years ago, I worked security for Intel corporation, back before I was educated enough to have a real job. I had a gentleman do that to me while trying to force his way past the front desk at the Ronler Acres facility.

I ended up throwing him out, through the glass doors. The building "owner" was peaved at me for shattering said door in the process.

A groin kick is painful ... but not some kind of magic paralysis spell.

 

[kingpin008]

Probably not adding much to the conversation...but

A few years ago I was wrestling with my then-girlfriend, and we both fell down at the same time, while I had a hold of her. I landed on my back, and she landed partially on top of me, with her knee (and full bodyweight) going straight into my "boys" .

Now, at that point I didn't want to do much other than curl up and pray for a swift death at that point, but I did have the strength to at least push her off of me. Maybe not a magic solution to an aggressive attack...but it's better than a harsh word.

 

[george29]

Soumds like GF knows how to take care of herself, watch those boys with her around.

 

[kingpin008]

Well, it was a total accident, but for what it's worth she was a big girl.

She made it up to me, but we didn't really wrestle much after that.

 

[Richmond]

crisis situation specialist!

Richmond - No, there's no plan. A few months ago they had a "Crisis Situation Specialist" in, and she presented a weak powerpoint presentation on how to deal with "crisis" situations. From what my other half reported, the highlights of the advice given dealt with keeping a few cans of tuna or cans or nutritional shakes in one's desk, along with a portable flashlight and weather radio, and when walking to one's car at night, they were advised to carry car keys in their fist to use as a striking weapon, or have a cell phone open and to their ear (whether they were actually on it or not) t give the illusion that they "aren't alone" or failing that, a whistle or some other means to alert court security.

Oh my! :banghead:

Actually, there was a similar process here. Fortunately, law enforcement and a couple of the judges were supportive of adequate security. I did a lot of the research regarding patterns and incidents of violence in courthouses. I also compiled some information regarding successful civil claims in courthouse settings where there were civil actions arising out of failure to provide a safe work environment. Those were enough to overcome any idea that you can just do nothing.

We did training and planning in-house, with local LE. I helped teach the seminars for employees. We did a pretty good job with what we had to work with. I think that staff now has a plan to make themselves safe in a violent situation.

I could look for my old research files, happy to help out with that approach if I can send anything.