Thoughts on the referenced article, and other aspects of ATF's latest stunt

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For those who read this, page 4, the 20 March issue of Gun Week contains a rather interesting piece by Dave Workman. The article is headlined ATF Official Admits Problems With Richmond Show Operation. Talk of being damned with faint praise. Unfortunately, I don't have a scanner, however if the article appears in the next on-line edition, I will post it, for the attention/interest of readers.

In any event, it strikes me that what with one thing and or another, this being an election year, our side might be able to make some possibly significant gains from this fiasco, gains in the direction of curbing the ATF. Stranger things have happened, and once again, it is an election year.

One thing required is a lot of comment and questions directed to our elected things. Re this, and the sad fact that altogether to many gun owners appear to be to lazy to act in what one would expect would be their own self interest, the required action, above mentioned, might not be attainable. That is something to consider, that and the fact that while one can lead a horse to water, one cannot make the creature drink. Seems a shame though, that being presented with what might be a real an opportunity to make possibly significant gains, that the opportunity might slip by, as a result of it's being ignored by those who should have made use of it.

For whatever it might be worth, the following is a copy of a Letter To The Editor at Gun Week that I sent earlier today. Copies of same went to my own "elected things", in addition to materials and comment I had sent to them earlier, dealing with the Richmond fiasco, and the web cast of the 28 February hearings, that wasn't, though it most certainly was scheduled.


Editor:

The complete headline reads, ATF Official Admits Problems With Richmond Show Operation, this from one Michael Bouchard, identified in the article as Assistant Director of ATF Field Operations. Talk of being "damned by faint praise".

Respecting the "residency checks" undertaken, Mr. Bouchard allowed that "there was no specific authority for the ATF to conduct residency checks". He went on to note that "it was a general investigative tool that we use". Thank goodness that Mr. Bouchard in particular and ATF in general have not concluded that drawing people on the rack might make a dandy "general investigative tool" also. It gets even better or would worse be a more appropriate description, respecting the "letters" that ATF gave to gun purchasers, whose arms they had seized, letters that are nowhere authorized or it seems had previously been used. One gets the impression that the ATF have come to believe that they are a law unto themselves, a proposition that millions of law abiding Americans would seriously question, I suspect.

Regarding the following excerpt from this article, an excerpt that refers to ATF antics, "They portrayed an operation that left members of the House astonished", the following question comes to mind. Re the alleged "astonishment of House members", is one to assume that this is the very first time that questions as to ATF tactics and or operations had ever been brought to the attention of members of The House of Representatives? Given the checkered record of ATF, I doubt that such would be the case, so from whence comes the above mentioned "astonishment"?

In conclusion, two hearings were mentioned in the article. The first of these was held on 15 February, and was web cast, which is to say that it could have been viewed on ones home computer. A second hearing was held on 28 February, this being the hearing where Mr. Bouchard testified. The second hearing was also scheduled to be web cast. Alas, it wasn't, one wonders as to why. After all, a committee of The House of Representatives, looking into the actions of an agency of the federal government, where there was no connection between agency operations and "national security" most certainly would not have had anything to hide from the people of this country, would they?

Readers are free to draw their own conclusions, however the following might be instructive. Rep. Jim Sensenbrenner is the chairperson of The House Judiciary Committee. Sensenbrenner seems to have, for whatever reason, undertaken the role of one man cheering squad for the ATF. The drawing of one's own conclusions hasn't become subversive of otherwise unpatriotic, has it?

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Those who read the foregoing are certainly free to act as they see fit, which includes disregarding what I've written. Problem with doing nothing might well be that contemporary opportunities will not soon come this way again.
 
It gets even better or would worse be a more appropriate description, respecting the "letters" that ATF gave to gun purchasers, whose arms they had seized, letters that are nowhere authorized or it seems had previously been used.
Gonna have to file that sentence under "things that make your brain hurt.":p
 
publius:

Looking at your comment, I could have done a better job with that sentence. Sorry for possibly having caused a headache.

It seems to me that the antics of the ATF could well do a lot worse.
 
At least no homes were set on fire and no families burned alive this time.
 
I wonder how many of those who were upset over the 'Jack Booted Thugs' comment by (I believe) Laperrie have reversed their thinking?

IIRC, Bush, Sr. was one.
 
Is it any surprise that the Brady Center had this headline:

On The Eve Of House Hearing, Brady Campaign Condemns
Gun Lobby's Scurrilous Attacks On Law Enforcement Efforts

...or you can see things like this in the press release:

Clearly, this was a very successful law enforcement effort. The Brady Campaign applauds the ATF, Virginia State Police, and the local police for their hard work,” said Michael D. Barnes, President of the Brady Campaign. “The gun lobby always claims that the solution to gun violence is for law enforcement to enforce the laws already on the books – but its attacks on this law enforcement operation and Project Exile – which the NRA itself has endorsed – show its true colors.”

I guess it didn't bother these Bradyites that the "hard-working law enforcement agents" were engaging in questionable or outright illegal activities to that end... and that is what all the hoopla is about.

Some people just don't get it. The gun grabbers, and their thugs, never will... they don't want to understand. They just want your guns, and to hell with your inalienable rights.:fire:
 
Rep Howard Coble chaired the BATFE hearings.

NOT Rep Sensenbrenner.

The hearings were held under the Subcomittee on crime, terrorism and homeland security.

Not the full committee.

Just a little clarification
 
LAR-15:

Re your clarification, you are correct in-so-far as you went.

Having said that, given what appears to be Rep. Sensenbrenners leanings toward supporting the ATF, I see his fine hand in connection with the failure to web cast the second hearing, which I suspect could have been especially interesting.

I could be wrong, but that is the way I see it.
 
At least no homes were set on fire and no families burned alive this time.

Plus, no mothers were shot while holding a baby (Ruby Ridge). Of course, these actions would be not only condoned but applauded by the Brady Campain calling it "law enforcement guys just doing their jobs."
 
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