Threading a CX4 barrel = illegal?

[Nitrogen]

I'm about to consider getting a Beretta cx4.

I'd love to attach a silencer to it, but while discussing this plan, I was told that it'd be illegal to thread it, because it was "forigen", some kind of 922r rule perhaps?

I'm confused, and it sounds like Male Bovine Excrement to me, but I figured I'd ask those more knowledgable.

 

[Outlaws]

Unless you have city or state regulations about threaded barrels, there are no national bans on them. There are flash suppressors and muzzle breaks that use the same threading as sound suppressors.

 

[AntiqueCollector]

The silencer is the registered NFA item, you don't have to worry about import ban issues at all in this case.

 

[Nitrogen]

Threading the barrel doesn't make me need to SBR the rifle at all? I talked to the guy some more and he basically said, "Threading the barrel makes it no longer a sporting arm, and 922r would no longer apply, therefore it must be SBR'd for a $200 tax.

This makes no sense to me at ALL.

 

[KaiserBen]

You *might* run into 922(r) issues if it was foreign made and the modification makes it no longer a sporting arm (which, IIRC, a threaded muzzle would). First, check to see how much of it was foreign made, and if enough of it was to fall under 922r, you'll need either "compliance parts" (same parts, made in the US) or you'll have to SBR it. NFA weapons are exempt from 922r, but as the silencer is detachable, it doesn't count.

 

[Ridgeway]

there is a letter floating around from the atf addressing this
iirc it states that the cx4 must remain in a sporting config whether an sbr or not (indicating that 922r is still applicable in nfa firearms), which means no threaded barrel

of course then one must consider the weight (if any) such a letter holds in general (especially as if it is correct in all points, those usc to ump sbr conversions would not be legal)...but i'd rather not risk it

 

[strat81]

Goes to show that many gun dealers don't know what is what.

 

[Ridgeway]

The barrel length of a CX4 is 16.6" according to the Beretta website. What does a suppressor, or 922r imported parts, have to do with it being a short barreled rifle???? SBR has to do with barrel length, that's it. My WASR has a threaded barrel and it has nothing to do with NFA, neither do the thousands of AR-15s out there with threaded barrels.

*if* making it an sbr exempts it from 922r that would be the reason to sbr it even if one keeps the barrel 16+ in...

 

[mp510]

ATF has been wavering back and forth about whether or not SBR semi-autos are required to comply with 922r. Considering that they have written letters going both ways, and that those letters are only legally binding to the addressee, it is best to abide by the most conservative interpretation and abide by 922r. One of the letters stating that 922r applied was, interestingly, in reference to a Beretta Storm Carbine.

 

[OEF_VET]

Since the CX4 Storm is imported, as a sporting rifle, it can not have a flash suppressor on it, unless you also change out other parts with U.S. manufactured ones. Essentially, a flash suppressor is a no-go on a CX4.

 

[Halo is for Kids]

Since the CX4 Storm is imported, as a sporting rifle, it can not have a flash suppressor on it, unless you also change out other parts with U.S. manufactured ones. Essentially, a flash suppressor is a no-go on a CX4.

That was my understanding as well.

 

[CannonFodder]

Why can't a sporting rifle have a flash suppressor on it?
What is the logic behind that regulation?

 

[mp510]

Why can't a sporting rifle have a flash suppressor on it?
What is the logic behind that regulation?

Because, there is a US parts count requirement in order to have certain, arbitrary features, so designated as non sporting.

One thing you'll find about gun laws, is that they rarely make sense.

 

[Nitrogen]

ARgh.

This reallly blows.
"Common Sense" gun laws my rear.

Maybe I'll just wait for the RX-4.

Thanks, folks.

 

[Wes Janson]

Not to advocate breaking the law or anything, but it is rather sad when people are seriously hindered in their actions by an interpretation of a law that is undefined and vague at best, and only known to a handful of people in the entire country.

 

[LAR-15]

Can you still thread the barrel though and install a muzzle brake?

 

[gunsmith]

how could we possibly give you an answer to this question?

What is the logic behind that regulation?

The atf/irs/dea/cia/abcdefghijk
will be kicking in your door shortly, you knew you were asking for it.

 

[femoralis]

I think a muzzle brake would be okay, as long as there were no flash hiders available on the market at all that could fit on the threads... correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Animal Mother]

As murky as this sounds, you would probably be best off writing a letter to the ATF tech branch for clarification.

 

[ceetee]

Since the CX4 Storm is imported, as a sporting rifle, it can not have a flash suppressor on it, unless you also change out other parts with U.S. manufactured ones. Essentially, a flash suppressor is a no-go on a CX4.

The OP was asking about a sound supressor, right? Does that differ from a flash suppressor, legally?

 

[mp510]

The OP was asking about a sound supressor, right? Does that differ from a flash suppressor, legally?

Sound suppressors do act as flash suppressors. Also, there is still the muzzle threading issue.

 

[Outlaws]

So if this "sporting" thing means you cannot thread a barrel, then how come you can buy HK Tacticals? Those are imported as "sporting" also.

 

[waterhouse]

So if this "sporting" thing means you cannot thread a barrel, then how come you can buy HK Tacticals? Those are imported as "sporting" also.

I believe the sporting clause only applies to long guns. See below, emphasis added.

(r) It shall be unlawful for any person to assemble from imported
parts any semiautomatic rifle or any shotgun which is identical to
any rifle or shotgun prohibited from importation under section
925(d)(3) of this chapter as not being particularly suitable for or
readily adaptable to sporting purposes

 

[MartinBrody]

Look into the High Point Carbine, it is US made so 922r wouldn't apply and you can get that stock to make it look like a CX4. I know, I know, I would rather have the CX4 too, but I just don't think you can legally thread & suppress it.

 

[Outlaws]

(r) It shall be unlawful for any person to assemble from imported
parts any semiautomatic rifle or any shotgun which is identical to
any rifle or shotgun prohibited from importation under section
925(d)(3) of this chapter as not being particularly suitable for or
readily adaptable to sporting purposes

I don't see how this would ban threading the barrel of an imported rifle. It basically says you cannot assemble an normal AK from imported parts because AKs are no longer importable (not including the sporting ones).

But threading the barrel of a CX4 wouldn't be assembling a rifle from imported parts.