Thumb print to buy handgun ammo?

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SACRAMENTO, Calif. – Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger signed into law legislation that bans all mail-order and internet sales of handgun ammunition in the state, as well as other regulations.

I was sent various emails about this bill, and I thought it was a joke. I forwarded an email to a friend who told me it was an old bill that wasn't around. This ban is unnacceptable. Mail order ammo is the best deal around. As an American, a capitalist, I cannot believe it! This ban is insane and sets a dangerous precident. I thought Arnold was a Repuplican! I can only imagine what is in store for us in California.
 
Yes, California law is now set up to reduce the sale of ammunition. The legislature assumes that Bad Guys don't own cars and will never drive to Nevada or Arizona--and that Greyhound has gone out of business.

The real issue for this forum, however, is whether or not a federal complaint can be entered, as to restraint of trade.
 
There are several threads on this one already.

The bill was signed off by darling Arnie and comes into effect in Feb 2011, not active yet
It only affects hand gun ammunition
It does not provide any mechanism for the vendor to actually CHECK the thumb print, paper work etc and whether the individual is a "prohibited individual"
There are no restrictions on going out of state, buying ammo and bringing it back
It does not affect reloading or reloading components
The "record" only includes the type, caliber and manufacturer of the ammunition and does not record batch number etc so no way to track ammunition sold
It is being challenged under, irony of ironies, the Commerce Clauses
It will not be able to survive if 2A is incorporated under the 14th in McDonald v Chicago

So, it is a law which will have precisely zero effect on any other than the law abiding.
 
What's to prevent a black market underground reloading plant that sells reloaded ammo to thugs? Heck, we know it's illegal to sell reloaded ammo w/o the appropriate FFL... but that won't stop an entrepreneurial criminal from seeing dollar signs.
 
This ban is insane and sets a dangerous precident. I thought Arnold was a Repuplican! I can only imagine what is in store for us in California.
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You are as correct as you have thought. This law is incapable of affecting crime, other than making a once innocent and legal action, now a crime. Arnold is definitely an (R), you aren't wrong there, but party affiliation has nothing to do with political posturing and legislative slight-of-hand. If you can imagine what is in store for you, you should do something about it. Vote, activate, fall in line, or move, because this has been happening out there for decades now.
 
RE: Thumbprint

Seems odd - most government ID, at least the ID I have, your print is your right index aka right handed "trigger" finger print...

Oh they're so progressive in Cali {/barf!!!
 
CA is going broke.

Law was signed for sales tax reasons.

It forces CA buyers to buy local and pay sales tax.
Mail order/online sales = no sales tax.

Considering sales tax is now around 8-10% (depends on county/city), it is a revenue source that is being relied upon to help pay off CA debts.

Right thumb print is used, because it's what CA DMV records when you get a CA Drivers Licenese or Identification card. A right thumb print is also required for all firearm transfers in CA.

The Calguns Foundation lawsuit challenging this law is solid and has precedent. This is a interstate commerce issue, not a Second Amendment issue.
However, the Second Circuit Court of Appeals did decide that the Second Amendment is incorporated under the Fourteenth Amendment (Nordyke v Alameda county).
 
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California joins the people's republic of NJ in ridiculous gun laws. In NJ you have to register and you get flagged for 200+ round purchase.:eek:
 
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"Now accepting applications for 'StateLine Ammuntion & Shooting Supply' franchises. All locations 500 yards {or less!} outside of the California State Border on all major highways..."
 
This is a ridiculous law that obviously targets law abiding gun owners - and how this was allowed to be passed is pretty sad.
 
This law will never be enforced, SCOTUS will rule for incorporation of the 2nd.

Once that happens, state gun laws, especially ones like this, can kiss their ass good bye.
 
This law will never be enforced, SCOTUS will rule for incorporation of the 2nd.

Once that happens, state gun laws, especially ones like this, can kiss their ass good bye.
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The 9th circuit already ruled for incorporation of the 2nd. That's one of the main reasons SCOTUS is reviewing the issue--there's a circuit split, one saying it is incorporated and one saying it isn't. But since CA is 9th, for all intents and purposes it is already incorporated against CA.

At least that's my understanding and if I'm wrong I'd love to hear about it.
 
Alas Gryffyd

Somewhat out of date I'm afraid.

The ruling was pulled, reviewed "en-banc" and set aside whilst the 2A cases such as McDonald v Chicago go through the SC.

Full details etc available on the Calguns site
 
As an FYI, Texas sold the driver license database (names, signatures, thumb prints, and photos) to a private company in the 90's. The company was politically connected, and was trying to make a go of some type of check verification. Citizens were hopping mad.

If I were a California citizen, I'd wonder what safe guards were in place.
 
"I bought ammo from a man in Reno"
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Just to watch it buy?

Seriously, this is an interstate commerce issue more than it is a gun-rights issue. I think that by 2011 it won't really matter to California's state revenue because the economic landscape will have changed so much. This means that there is only one positive thing that could possibly come out of this. Mailmen and FedEX delivery men would have less stressful lives knowing they won't shot if they drop the package they're delivering :p
 
So, just HOW does the UPS man know what they are carrying? Honestly, if you order from Cabelas and they sell to you... Unless they restrict THAT company from shipping to you or make it a crime in another state to ship it across state lines, then...

THis law is a mess.
 
They have no clue what they're delivering. I assume that heavy packages that feel like they could contain ammo might go through an x-ray machine, but how would they be able to tell the difference from rifle ammo? Wow, this is a mess.
 
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